IRC logs for #opendune on OFTC at 2009-10-31
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07:29:14 <boekabart> it's a smart res: 256x240 is 1) easy to address lines 2) exactly half-NTSC height 3) 4bpp fits nicely into 16k ram
09:42:39 <TrueBrain> yet NTSC misses 8 scanlines :p
09:46:38 <TrueBrain> boekabart: I think it might be a good idea to initialize the SDL in layer1, and let others use it .. as they all will need it :p
10:40:32 <TrueBrain> ah, I remember why I wanted that: this way other layer2 modules can query the keyboard and stuff :) (as that also comes from SDL :p)
10:52:40 <TrueBrain> found where DOSBox loads the CLI graphics .. :)
10:53:23 <TrueBrain> by the looks it comes from the BIOS ROM
10:53:37 <TrueBrain> which is kind of suprising to me .. I expected it to be more low-level .. clearly I was wrong :)
10:55:08 <TrueBrain> well, that piece of ROM is then loaded into the video card via 3C4 and 3C5 (plane 2)
10:56:11 <TrueBrain> funny .. if I read this correctly, CLI fonts are send to 0xA0000
12:30:19 <DorpsGek> SVN: [LibEMU] truebrain (r16) -Fix: when hardware doesn't handle an IO port, it mostly returns 0xFF (due to how hardware is wired)
12:51:17 <TrueBrain> hmm .. who initializes the IVT ..
13:11:29 <TrueBrain> I am reading now (very old) comments n Redhat about Fedora policy regarding flags, and the trouble they had with OpenTTD having them
13:11:34 <TrueBrain> it is just too amusing to be true :)
13:13:01 <TrueBrain> then after days of battling back and fored, "After huge flamewars, flags policy was suspended" ;)
13:15:04 <TrueBrain> I love bad policies :)
13:15:39 <TrueBrain> glx: are you in the posibilities to produce a stable package for OpenDUNE 0.1?
13:16:41 <DorpsGek> SVN: truebrain (r432) -Add: prepare for 0.1 release
13:17:15 <TrueBrain> compile and zip it? If you would be so kind to do that in the next few hours?
13:17:38 <glx> is there a list of what should be in the zip?
13:18:09 <TrueBrain> you need: COPYING, libemu.dll (or static compile it, both okay by me), openttd.exe, data/put_*.txt, memory/start.bin
13:18:11 <TrueBrain> I believe that is enough
13:19:55 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: did I miss any file?
13:20:54 <TrueBrain> maybe we need a README and known_bugs? :)
13:22:11 <TrueBrain> I guess a static libemu is more pretty for releases ..
13:24:36 <TrueBrain> hmmm ... my 64bit binary just linked against libasound, libaudiofile, libesd ..
13:24:40 <TrueBrain> that is not really wanted ..
13:25:21 <glx> are you sure I must put openttd.exe in the zip ? ;)
13:27:46 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: for OSX, will my binary from 10.6 work on 10.5? and 10.4? Any ideas on that?
13:28:44 <planetmaker> I guess it depends whether it's statically linked or not.
13:28:58 <TrueBrain> ldd doesn't exist on OSX :(
13:29:25 <planetmaker> But you might produce 64 bit code with OSX 10.6. It's easier the other way around.
13:29:38 <planetmaker> e.g. building for the SDK 10.4u
13:29:40 <TrueBrain> I have a 64bit binary yes, but producing a 32bit is easy enough
13:29:46 <TrueBrain> how do I build for another SDK?
13:30:09 <planetmaker> dunno from heart...
13:30:24 <planetmaker> I boot from my other HD :-P
13:30:47 <TrueBrain> can I ask you to build OpenDUNE binary? :) (of course it requires SDL)
13:30:52 <planetmaker> but I know there IS a command line option for the compiler or a compiler directive for the code
13:31:08 <glx> maybe check openttd makefile
13:31:08 <planetmaker> you can. But I won't be able to build it before tonight
13:31:32 <planetmaker> sysroot wasn't it...
13:31:46 <TrueBrain> CFLAGS="$CFLAGS -isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX$osx_sysroot_version.sdk -mmacosx-version-min=$osx_target_version"
13:31:47 <TrueBrain> LDFLAGS="$LDFLAGS -Wl,-syslibroot,/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX$osx_sysroot_version.sdk -mmacosx-version-min=$osx_target_version"
13:32:45 <planetmaker> -isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk
13:33:24 <TrueBrain> grr, it can't find stdarg.h via SDL.h
13:33:42 <glx> ,...,...,...,...OSX_SYSROOT="-isysroot $osx_sdk_104_path"
13:33:42 <glx> ,...,...,...,...OSX_LD_SYSROOT="-Wl,-syslibroot,$osx_sdk_104_path"
13:33:50 <TrueBrain> it uses an include-next, which fails
13:35:23 <planetmaker> a simple build on snow leopard won't run anyway on 10.4
13:35:46 <planetmaker> That I tested. Even linking won't work, if there are old objects files around from a previous compilation with the other system
13:36:15 <planetmaker> I haven't tried with universal builds, though
13:36:26 <TrueBrain> what strikes me as odd, is that it still makes a 64bit binary for 10.4u :p
13:36:45 <planetmaker> well... they started with it there
13:36:59 <planetmaker> and finished it in 10.6 basically
13:36:59 <TrueBrain> k, now I need SDL for 32bit ..
13:37:53 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: would it be a good idea to embed SDL?
13:38:54 <planetmaker> I've no idea actually
13:39:22 <planetmaker> worth a try, though
13:39:32 <TrueBrain> well, more the question was if normal systems have it or not
13:40:11 <TrueBrain> k, -O3 without -g for linux, done :)
13:45:00 <TrueBrain> k, installing LibSDL with +universal
13:45:03 <TrueBrain> lets see what that does ..
13:45:12 <TrueBrain> glx: what do you say: include SDL for linux too?
13:47:01 <TrueBrain> I guess on linux SDL is common enough
13:48:46 <TrueBrain> blathijs: we are trying to push out the first (0.1) release of OpenDUNE. Any chance of a .deb?
13:49:45 <glx> well on windows it's usual to provide libs with the app, dunno the rules for linux
13:50:09 <TrueBrain> I never seen an app carrying libsdl.so, so :)
13:51:02 <glx> even msvcrt.dll is redistributable ;)
13:51:30 <TrueBrain> pff, Windows 7 costs 70 euro including Student discount
13:51:39 <TrueBrain> on the positive side, it is the Ultimate version
13:51:51 <glx> I remember the old time with many programs providing vbrun432.dll :)
13:52:53 <TrueBrain> OpenDUNE requires libsqlite3 ... lol
13:55:04 <TrueBrain> macports is very nice
13:56:40 <TrueBrain> no doubt about that
14:05:10 <TrueBrain> hmm .. stupid libSDL .. the libSDLmain.a, required for OSX, calls a __stack_chk_guard, which is only known for glibc > 2.3
14:05:17 <TrueBrain> (which 10.4 doesn't have)
14:21:06 <DorpsGek> SVN: truebrain (r433) -Add: allow static compiling for OSX
14:22:08 <TrueBrain> for 64bit I have a binary ..
14:22:19 <TrueBrain> glx: btw, if you have the files, can you send them to me?
14:27:43 <glx> I was waiting for branching
14:28:19 <TrueBrain> ah, yeah .. that might be a good idea too :p
14:28:40 <TrueBrain> but I don't expect anything to change, yet I don't want to release too quick :)
14:28:53 <TrueBrain> we said the 1st .. so that is tomorrow ;)
14:29:05 <TrueBrain> but I guess I can tag it in a sec :)
14:29:43 <TrueBrain> how does tagging work .. hmm .. :p
14:31:32 <TrueBrain> svn copy svn+ssh://truebrain@secure.opendune.org//var/repos/svn/opendune/trunk svn+ssh://truebrain@secure.opendune.org//var/repores/svn/opendune/tags/0.1
14:33:21 <DorpsGek> SVN: truebrain (r434) -Release: 0.1
14:42:30 <TrueBrain> any idea about which versions?
14:42:36 <TrueBrain> win32 I assume should be sufficient?
14:43:33 <glx> probably won't run on win9x
14:44:21 <glx> but I'll provide a mingw build if needed ;)
14:45:39 <TrueBrain> I dno't expect many downlaods :p
14:46:01 <TrueBrain> if you have the time in the next month or so, please test it under win9x, and see where it goes wrong if it does :)
14:52:29 <glx> it requires a more recent version of windows :)
14:55:05 <glx> btw now we can commit all pending asm->C stuff ;)
14:55:23 <TrueBrain> well, that means we really released one day too early, but I guess so :p
14:55:44 <TrueBrain> please do give them a final read before you commit :)
14:55:44 <glx> the release is not "official" yet
14:56:22 <glx> only the few people following the commits know about it
14:58:14 <glx> mingw build fails too (because libemu uses too recent API calls, CreateTimerQueueEvent)
14:58:25 <TrueBrain> k, so no win95 for now :)
14:59:00 <TrueBrain> I need to change the sysroot for macports
15:01:42 <glx> ok minimum _WIN32_WINNT version is 0x0500 so 2000
15:08:21 <glx> some are just to allow compilation ;)
15:08:58 <TrueBrain> looks fine, if you remove the ones from cs__01F7.c ;)
15:11:17 <glx> so I commit and you run decompiler to allow compilation?
15:11:58 <TrueBrain> no, if you remove the cs__01F7 functions, it should compile
15:13:15 <glx> should I add the .h to decompiled.h ?
15:18:24 <glx> and remove from .txt too ?
15:18:53 <TrueBrain> you have implemented them, so I think that is a good idea yes
15:20:09 <TrueBrain> looks fine to me :)
15:24:03 <TrueBrain> I really really really can't get this stupid macports to compile for the 10.4 SDK
15:26:15 <DorpsGek> SVN: glx (r435) -Add: implement emu_Tools_Shld() and emu_Tools_Shrd() in C
15:36:07 <TrueBrain> k .... I am really running out of ideas how to fix this SDL shit ..
15:43:00 <TrueBrain> manually modified the source ...
15:43:02 <TrueBrain> see what that does :p
15:43:20 <TrueBrain> now at least it reads 10.4 ..
15:51:07 <TrueBrain> yippie, finally it compiles
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15:53:25 <TrueBrain> hmm .. but now x86_64 no longer works, as that needs to be compiled against 10.5 .. hmm .. think think think ..
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15:58:44 <TrueBrain> okay, I think it now does ppc and i386 with 10.4 SDK, and x86_64 with 10.5 SDK
15:59:45 <planetmaker> :-) I just typed 'make' into the console
16:01:16 <planetmaker> hm... "_emu_caption", referenced from:
16:01:18 <planetmaker> _SDL_main in main.o
16:01:32 <planetmaker> obviously ... I'm missing something.
16:01:54 <TrueBrain> k, 10.5 still fails
16:02:22 <planetmaker> err... libemu won't make
16:02:40 <planetmaker> ok... it fails to find SDL... strange
16:03:22 <planetmaker> do I need libsdl or libsdl-devel?
16:04:05 <planetmaker> he, yes, you're right.
16:04:17 <planetmaker> I had it hard-coded for opendune, but not for libemu. Ty
16:07:37 <planetmaker> I get the same linker error still
16:08:20 <planetmaker> do I need to set some paths explicitly?
16:08:44 <TrueBrain> nope .. jsut to make sure you have the latest libemu.so in your trunk dir ;)
16:08:54 <TrueBrain> hmm .. libSDL still fails for x86_64 and 10.6 .. weird ..
16:09:17 <TrueBrain> so I guess my 64bit detector didn't work :p
16:10:54 <TrueBrain> os,arch is always i386
16:11:15 <planetmaker> but you might have set __LP64__
16:11:17 <TrueBrain> so then which variable I can tap into to see what target it is going to compile .. hmm ..
16:11:26 <TrueBrain> no, it is somewhere in TCL scripts :p
16:11:27 <planetmaker> not you, but the compiler
16:15:44 <TrueBrain> okay ... it seems there is no indication what arch it will be at that moment ...
16:26:19 <TrueBrain> [lsearch ${command}.env_array(CFLAGS) "x86_64"] >= 0
16:26:23 <TrueBrain> sounds sensible, not?
16:26:57 <TrueBrain> ah, it isn't a list :(
16:49:21 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: got it working already? :p
16:50:18 <TrueBrain> it works here flawles ..
16:53:09 <TrueBrain> I am starting to dislike TCL very much
16:53:15 <TrueBrain> I can't get simple things to work :s
16:53:47 <planetmaker> well. Do I need libsdl or libsdl-devel ?
16:54:02 <planetmaker> then I've no idea.
16:54:04 <TrueBrain> I wouldn't know what libsdl-devel contains what libsdl doesn't .. as .. libsdl already has the headers
16:54:09 <TrueBrain> what is the error, start with that ;)
16:54:27 <planetmaker> Undefined symbols:
16:54:28 <planetmaker> "_emu_caption", referenced from:
16:54:30 <planetmaker> _SDL_main in main.o
16:54:31 <planetmaker> ld: symbol(s) not found
16:54:36 <TrueBrain> are you very sure you use the latest LibEMU
16:54:44 <TrueBrain> and you copied it to the trunk dir?
16:54:44 <planetmaker> I just ran svn up && make
16:54:51 <TrueBrain> make sure 'svn status' is empty too
16:54:59 <planetmaker> I did a svn co of the whole thing there
16:55:00 <TrueBrain> and make sure that libemu.so in trunk is linked or copied
16:55:10 <planetmaker> hm... copied to where?
16:55:18 <TrueBrain> in the trunk checkout
16:55:20 <TrueBrain> there is a libemu.so
16:55:22 <TrueBrain> make sure it is the latest
16:55:31 <TrueBrain> (normally you symlink that to the one from /extra/libemu
16:56:07 <planetmaker> well. I have svn co <your-main-repo-with-everything-and-all-subfolders>
16:56:33 <TrueBrain> in that dir, is a libemu.so
16:56:43 <planetmaker> yes, there I do have it
16:56:50 <TrueBrain> is it the latest you compiled?
16:57:39 <TrueBrain> then it should compile
16:57:55 <TrueBrain> emu_caption is introduced in one of the most recent versions of LibEMU
16:57:57 <planetmaker> libemu compiles. opendune, too. But it doesn't link
16:58:03 <TrueBrain> (and I hope you have the libemu from /extra/libemu
16:59:54 <TrueBrain> libemu/src/int10.c, line 28: char *emu_caption
17:00:56 <planetmaker> but not _emu_caption
17:01:02 <planetmaker> mind the leading _
17:01:14 <TrueBrain> you do know all external symbols are prefixed witha _? :)
17:01:38 <TrueBrain> where ever you look, you always see a prefixed _ :)
17:02:03 <TrueBrain> either way, if you really have the right libraries and stuff, it should work .. else, open src/main.c, and remove the emu_caption references
17:03:54 <TrueBrain> [info exist ${command}.env_array(CFLAGS)] returns 1
17:04:08 <TrueBrain> print ${command}.env_array(CFLAGS) prints configure.env_array(CFLAGS) ($command == configure)
17:05:16 <planetmaker> try print $({command}.env_array(CFLAGS))
17:06:14 <TrueBrain> $() doesn't work at all
17:06:20 <TrueBrain> and missing a $ before {command} makes it fail too
17:11:51 <planetmaker> well. without emu_caption it works
17:12:04 <TrueBrain> then your libemu really is not up-to-date or otherwise compromised
17:12:21 <TrueBrain> I guess you could check the symbol list or what ever
17:13:47 <planetmaker> how can I do that?
17:14:01 <planetmaker> looking at the o files somehow, I guess...
17:15:28 <TrueBrain> why did TCL make array access so .. weird ...
17:22:33 <TrueBrain> and if we make a function, it all of a sudden does work
17:23:35 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: why didn't you btw fill in the urls in the topic for the 0.1 release?
17:33:37 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: I updated your text a lot (made it a bit more story/readable, I hope :))
17:40:22 <Xaroth> i didn't fill them in because at that point they were not yet available
17:41:02 <TrueBrain> but okay :) I was wondering why, I thought, maybe you had an underling reason or something :)
17:41:28 <Xaroth> wanted to make direct links to their release pages
17:42:59 <TrueBrain> I really really have a hard time finding the arch it is compiling for at all moments in the macports cmopile ..
17:43:04 <TrueBrain> it is bad .. very bad
17:57:49 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: that news post for the public site as well right?
18:00:27 <TrueBrain> that was the idea, not?
18:01:52 <Xaroth> yeh, just confirming :)
18:06:28 <Xaroth> scheduling a post for 0:00
18:06:41 <Xaroth> just need a forum post to link to, for downloads
18:10:12 <TrueBrain> k, I think I finally found a method ...
18:23:09 <Xaroth> right, I'll make the forum post already
18:23:16 <Xaroth> front page will be automagically updated at midnight
18:23:55 <TrueBrain> I am almost done with the OSX binaries
18:24:02 <TrueBrain> then I guess we have all targets we wanted to have
18:30:09 <Xaroth> time to make a nice subtle post for the clan forums as well
18:32:01 <Xaroth> I now have last post on every forum except off-topic :P
18:32:15 <TrueBrain> not a good thing, sadly enough :p
18:32:26 <Xaroth> i'll savour it while it lasts
18:33:05 <Xaroth> bugs. visit ratio has gone up 37400% this week o_O
18:33:32 <Xaroth> >50% referring as well, which is nice
18:34:14 <Xaroth> hm, nevermind, 96% of those are from *.opendune.org :P
18:35:42 <TrueBrain> I see you prepared everything, even the bugs .. nice job Xaroth :)
18:36:22 <Xaroth> We have analytics on everything minus binaries.
18:37:21 <Xaroth> 9 visits already from googling 'opendune'
18:38:10 <Xaroth> anyways, visitors can be here any moment
18:38:15 <Xaroth> so time to head downstairs etc
18:38:23 <Xaroth> I'll probably pop on a few times from my phone
18:41:36 <TrueBrain> k ... ppc, i386, and x86_64 :)
19:06:45 <TrueBrain> btw, release uploaded
19:07:01 *** DorpsGek sets mode: +o TrueBrain
19:07:06 *** TrueBrain changes topic to "Teaser-2 released || Websites *.opendune.org: www, forum, bugs, wiki, svn || T-4h"
19:11:45 *** TrueBrain changes topic to "0.1 || Websites *.opendune.org: www, forum, bugs, wiki, svn"
19:16:13 <TrueBrain> glx: would you be able to boot up 10.4 PPC and try that very same file?
19:16:58 <glx> hmm I don't have 10.4 ppc
19:17:12 <TrueBrain> it won't work with 10.3, so :)
19:17:19 <glx> only 10.3 ppc and 10.4 intel
19:17:41 <TrueBrain> well, if you like you can try the 10.4 intel
19:17:45 <TrueBrain> should work .. not 100% sure :)
19:30:10 <glx> hmm it's opendune-0 when extracted ;)
19:30:23 <TrueBrain> yup, auto-unzip at work
19:30:41 <TrueBrain> I need to make .dmg files out of it to avoid that
19:31:03 <glx> failed to load memory file memory/start.bin
19:31:59 <TrueBrain> I think OSX fucked up current-working-dir again
19:35:42 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: on my computer I get the same result as g1x
19:35:56 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: try via terminal
19:36:54 <planetmaker> [EMU] [ INT21:3D ] Requesting mode '20' which is not completely supported.
19:36:56 <planetmaker> Abnormal program termination
19:36:57 <planetmaker> [EMU] INT 0x21 AL 0x4C application termination
19:37:01 <planetmaker> the first output line is normal
19:37:15 <TrueBrain> but then at least it works :)
19:37:22 <TrueBrain> so current working dir is indeed wrong
19:37:26 <TrueBrain> oh well .. something to fix in 0.2 :)
19:38:28 <planetmaker> indeed. it works :-) Kudos!
19:38:59 <TrueBrain> "150000 Drivers for XP, 2000, Vista and Windows 7" <- is it me, or doesn't that sound too useful?
19:39:51 <planetmaker> sounds like "trojans and rootkits as icing are for free"
19:42:31 <TrueBrain> but oaky ... we have a release :) How nice :)
20:04:51 <planetmaker> you're quick with getting out a release :-)
20:05:22 <TrueBrain> as planned :) Now every 3 months ..
20:06:02 <planetmaker> what about the webtranslator? You'll need it for this project, too ;-)
20:06:19 <TrueBrain> have been looking at it last week :p
20:07:00 <planetmaker> :-P Yeah. I also have some nasty paperwork. Sometimes I look at it and put it at the bottom of the pile again :-P
20:07:43 * planetmaker also doesn't better think about swapped strings :-P
20:08:53 <TrueBrain> I have been looking at using CouchDB for WT3
20:09:06 <TrueBrain> problem is that it is a bit tricky with many sections and languages
20:15:36 <TrueBrain> there, isntalling Windows 7 via Fusion on my Mac
20:15:47 <TrueBrain> VMWare Fusion is nice, well done
20:24:11 <glx> hmm it hanged at start, but maybe caused by vmware ;)
20:26:45 <glx> ok killed it, restarted, it's better (no usable though, too slow for the timer ;)
20:27:07 <TrueBrain> Windows 7 is now for 10 minutes at 0%
20:30:59 <TrueBrain> I am starting to wonder what it is doing ... possible it is reading the iso .. it is over the network, so that might be slow (Wifi :p)
20:32:36 <TrueBrain> this is going to take forever .. maybe I should plug in a hardline, and copy over the ISO :p
20:38:55 <TrueBrain> either way, planetmaker, I think CouchDB can solve many of the performance issue I was hitting with WT3.0 and MySQL .. just it doesn't have full-text-search
20:39:26 <TrueBrain> so until I either dismissed CouchDB or found a nice solution for that (there are plugins for it), WT3.1 will get little progress ;)
20:56:15 <TrueBrain> 7 downloads so far :p Ghehe :)
20:57:14 <TrueBrain> by 4 unique users :p Ghehe :)
21:09:38 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: [22:09] <Ammler> TrueBrain: there is a little glitch with the dune homepage, if you go the detail news page, the sidebar right goes below the content.
22:12:44 <TrueBrain> how nice, Fusion installed Windows 7 completely automated .. very nice :)
22:33:05 <Xaroth> and @ammler what os/browser?
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