IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2017-04-06
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00:45:44 <peter1138> My phone fully charged in about 1hr30
00:45:53 <peter1138> I guess the battery is dying :(
00:46:14 <Wolf01> My phone always charged fully in that time
00:47:09 <peter1138> Hmmm, maybe this did, or just depends on the charger.
00:47:57 <peter1138> And... need to find the cable so I can charge my watch.
00:48:01 <peter1138> Modern technology ;(
00:50:53 <peter1138> Hmm, strava adding more and more social features :S
00:55:09 * LordAro wonders which petern is peter1138
00:55:19 <LordAro> i'd guess not the shirtless gentleman
00:58:23 <peter1138> I'm the one with my face in an EU flag.
01:00:17 * LordAro looks at peter1138's face
01:00:56 <peter1138> HOW MANY PETERNS ARE THERE s:
01:01:31 <LordAro> quite a few, it turns out
01:05:08 <Wolf01> I would like to stay and read about peter's impostors, but I'm going to bed instead
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01:17:10 <LordAro> want to do some actual cycling at some point
01:17:36 <LordAro> not for the next couple of months though, too much busy
01:21:03 <peter1138> oh dear, my friend's dog is telling me to go to bed
04:24:43 <debdog> Eddi|zuHause: they start building tiny VWs? IDK?
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10:26:23 <Samu> need some help, once the pathfinder finds a path, i want to cache it
10:26:40 <Samu> but not on the map array
10:34:59 <peter1138> How far have you got?
10:35:33 <Samu> didn't even start, i don't have a clear vision of what I need to do
10:38:20 <Samu> i'm unsure where I'm storing the found path that is to be cached
10:38:33 <Samu> was thinking vehicle cache
10:40:20 <Samu> how would i test the validity of the path afterwards :(
10:41:03 <Samu> if the path in the cache is still followable, keep following it
10:41:24 <Samu> if it's not, pathfind again
10:41:51 <Samu> hopefully, the goal is save cpu resources
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11:46:23 <Wolf01> Back to cube drawing...
11:58:05 <Wolf01> I can't understand the drawing routines, tutorials do everything in the same class wich becomes a bloat of code, they don't even try to separate the 3D model and the environment settings...
11:59:20 <Wolf01> "to rotate the model just update the camPosition"... that's moving the camera, not rotating the model :(
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12:27:54 <Wolf01> So, basic tutorials don't even work
12:28:04 <Wolf01> Nice way to learn things
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13:34:17 <Wolf01> Meh, my model is rotated at wrong angle, totally grey and too much big :(
13:35:03 <Wolf01> That's why I was able to see only grey in the window
13:35:53 <Arveen> what are you doing there ?
13:36:44 <Wolf01> Trying to draw a 3D model
13:53:38 <peter1138> Just update the cam position...
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14:26:05 <drac_boy> and hows our peter doing? ;)
14:28:10 <peter1138> just eating some pasta for lunch
14:28:30 <peter1138> probably too many carbs but hey it works
14:28:47 <drac_boy> heh funny..was planning on fresh pasta for supper today
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15:02:11 <Wolf01> So, if I add the material and the palette, loading the model crashes my game ;_;
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15:16:09 <Wolf01> Ok, MonoGame devs say it looks like a SharpDX fault :(
15:20:07 <Wolf01> Bye compressed textures...
15:30:00 <Wolf01> I need somebody which knows how to handle the 3D camera (query me please)
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16:37:04 <supermop> so the gym i was working on is starting to look like an actual construction site
16:37:36 <supermop> if you ignore the fact that it was originally supposed to open january 1st, it looks pretty good
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17:44:20 <Wolf01> It's raining... but it's sunny too
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17:57:25 <quiznilo> guys, what is the deal with autoreplace 'not working'?
17:57:56 <quiznilo> you mash the buttons and trains ignore it and go into depot for maintenance and come out with the same old engines
17:58:22 <Wolf01> Use 1.7.0, 1.6.1 is haunted
18:01:07 <Alberth> pressed "start replacing" ?
18:01:42 <quiznilo> yes, it replaces some for a bit and then stops
18:02:00 <Alberth> sounds like money-ish
18:02:15 <Alberth> try it manually, perhaps it throws an error
18:02:57 <quiznilo> I've been pondering a new game, something like a mashup between openttd and civ5, but in space
18:03:00 <Alberth> not sure how money limits are set in autoreplace, has been too long ago that I configured it
18:03:46 <quiznilo> I see it isn't working, turn off all the autoreplaces, and then put it on a single engine, and it fails
18:03:51 <quiznilo> yeah, trains in space
18:04:34 <quiznilo> my package manager is unaware of the existence of 1.7.0... sad
18:04:43 <Alberth> not sure how you merge civ5 in that :)
18:04:56 <quiznilo> I havn't figured that part out either
18:04:59 <Alberth> package managers are light years behind, usually
18:05:19 <quiznilo> gentoo is usually good, but it depends on who is maintaining the package
18:06:33 <Alberth> you can just download a stable from the openttd site
18:06:47 <quiznilo> yup, looking at the download page now
18:07:42 <andythenorth> quiznilo: add in kerbal
18:07:46 <andythenorth> build trains to go in space
18:07:56 <andythenorth> think it’s a winner
18:08:16 <andythenorth> factorio, but in 3 dimensions
18:08:53 <quiznilo> I have not tried factorial or KSP... I should
18:10:08 <Alberth> space is ver soon very boring, it's so empty
18:11:11 <Eddi|zuHause> there are a lot of easter eggs to explore
18:11:42 <Eddi|zuHause> there's even a mod that gives you missions to explore each easter egg
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18:19:38 <Eddi|zuHause> so, should i get thimbleweed park?
18:31:54 <quiznilo> looks like a undertale-inspired indy game
18:32:40 <Eddi|zuHause> it's by the creator of maniac mansion and monkey island, in the style of those games
18:33:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know undertale
18:34:32 <quiznilo> undertale is famous for spawning countless internet memes
18:35:32 <Eddi|zuHause> from what i read about undertale, it's nothing like that...
18:35:51 <quiznilo> the graphics just reminded me of it
18:36:07 <quiznilo> I've not actually played undertale or thimbleweed
18:36:20 <Eddi|zuHause> except that all the graphics from that age are somewhat similar
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18:55:25 <Wolf01> Mmmh, I forgot to set the user before committing to github... now all commits are from invalid-email-address :(
18:56:19 <Eddi|zuHause> delete the repo and start over :p
18:57:27 <Wolf01> Somebody suggests a rebase, but I'm here with the git editor and I don't even know how to use it
18:58:12 <peter1138> Good time to learn :)
18:58:35 <peter1138> You can edit the history in git, and there is a method to edit only the author which sounds like what you want.
18:58:59 <peter1138> You'll probably have to wipe the github and repush though.
18:59:28 <Eddi|zuHause> and hope thst nobody pulled in the meantime
19:00:22 <Eddi|zuHause> also, watch the video "git for ages 4 and up", it's really great
19:08:20 <Wolf01> Mmmh I think I should avoid to break even the local copy
19:09:26 <Wolf01> Also some stupid script changed my global account instead of making it's local one
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19:45:47 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27848 /trunk/src/lang (korean.txt spanish.txt) (2017-04-06 19:45:37 +0200 )
19:45:49 <DorpsGek> korean: 43 changes by telk5093
19:45:50 <DorpsGek> spanish: 6 changes by SilverSurferZzZ
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20:25:47 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 5 years, 26 weeks, 1 day, 18 hours, 6 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <Bjarni> heh
20:26:24 <Wolf01> Sacro, go find him and get him back
20:26:43 <Sacro> "Is your name Bjarni, did you work on OpenTTD, well Sacro misses you badly"
20:27:00 <DorpsGek> Sacro: I have not seen KUDr.
20:27:05 <DorpsGek> Sacro: I have not seen DarkSSH.
20:27:08 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Dark* could be dark_pingus (6 weeks, 2 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes, and 2 seconds ago), DarkRevenge (21 weeks, 4 days, 13 hours, 49 minutes, and 29 seconds ago), Darksecond (50 weeks, 2 days, 5 hours, 24 minutes, and 13 seconds ago), DarkenMoon (1 year, 48 weeks, 3 days, 16 hours, 9 minutes, and 48 seconds ago), Dark_light (3 years, 29 weeks, 3 days, 5 hours, 38 minutes, and 30 seconds ago), DarkSide (2 more messages)
20:27:17 <DorpsGek> Sacro: (5 years, 30 weeks, 3 days, 0 hours, 43 minutes, and 57 seconds ago), darkequi (5 years, 36 weeks, 1 day, 10 hours, 5 minutes, and 35 seconds ago), DarkM3nd3z (5 years, 37 weeks, 6 days, 17 hours, 39 minutes, and 46 seconds ago), Darkdjinn (5 years, 38 weeks, 2 days, 22 hours, 16 minutes, and 35 seconds ago), darkomen (6 years, 11 weeks, 0 days, 2 hours, 21 minutes, and 31 seconds ago), DarkTomas (6 (1 more message)
20:27:20 <DorpsGek> Sacro: years, 11 weeks, 4 days, 21 hours, 10 minutes, and 5 seconds ago), DarkNemesis (6 years, 34 weeks, 3 days, 6 hours, 17 minutes, and 13 seconds ago), Darko (6 years, 42 weeks, 5 days, 3 hours, 10 minutes, and 20 seconds ago), Darkvater (6 years, 51 weeks, 1 day, 6 hours, 49 minutes, and 4 seconds ago), or DarkED (7 years, 0 weeks, 5 days, 13 hours, 31 minutes, and 58 seconds ago)
20:28:03 <DorpsGek> Sacro: I have not seen mattijs.
20:28:06 <DorpsGek> Sacro: matt* could be Matthias_ (1 year, 35 weeks, 4 days, 1 hour, 8 minutes, and 4 seconds ago), matt_d (4 years, 4 weeks, 0 days, 15 hours, 4 minutes, and 11 seconds ago), mattfury (4 years, 20 weeks, 1 day, 8 hours, 29 minutes, and 10 seconds ago), Matthias (5 years, 28 weeks, 3 days, 2 hours, 58 minutes, and 28 seconds ago), or Matthew (7 years, 6 weeks, 3 days, 23 hours, 7 minutes, and 44 seconds ago)
20:28:16 <DorpsGek> Sacro: I haven't seen anyone matching kud*.
20:28:33 <Sacro> I thought there was a kudr or something similar, worked on YAPF
20:28:34 <Wolf01> Heh, too young to remember them
20:28:55 <Sacro> I've been on here over a decade
20:29:03 <Sacro> I think 0.3.6 days I joined
20:29:29 <frosch123> you probably need to check freenode for kudr
20:29:29 <Wolf01> I'm here since... 2004-2005
20:30:32 <Sacro> I'm sure there was mathijs or similar
20:30:45 <DorpsGek> Sacro: I have not seen RichK.
20:30:54 <Sacro> wasn't that who did MiniIN
20:30:58 <frosch123> Sacro: that guy is still here, but starts with b
20:31:10 <DorpsGek> Wolf01: I have not seen frostregen.
20:31:11 <Sacro> Yes, I thought that was the same dude, he's been here longer than I
20:32:02 <Rubidium> Sacro: Matthijs is stil here. He's actually in this channel
20:33:07 <Sacro> Rubidium: yes, he's one of the long time residents, him and be lugas and yourself of course :)
20:34:56 <Rubidium> still forgetting at least two who were here before me ;)
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20:36:20 <Rubidium> I was thinking g and o
20:36:53 <frosch123> yeah, o is a weird one, way younger than way longer around
20:39:54 <frosch123> never heard that name
20:40:55 <Wolf01> I won a LoMo copy from his contest back in the triassic
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20:55:14 <planetmaker> maybe we can find you on banannanananananas? Or with bananas :P
21:01:39 <peter1138> assigned to making patches and never committing them
21:02:01 <andythenorth> the ‘active’ list is somewhat wishful thinking :)
21:02:09 <peter1138> it's a few years old
21:02:20 <peter1138> that's the great thing about wikis
21:02:25 <peter1138> everyone can update them, but noone does
21:02:38 <frosch123> tb is assigned to tgp, he should fix it
21:02:45 <Wolf01> I still miss whoever got credit for the transparency UI
21:02:59 <peter1138> variety is terrible
21:03:07 <peter1138> Wolf01, yeah no idea who that was
21:03:15 <andythenorth> what’s the difference between inactive and retired?
21:03:17 <frosch123> i think his name was sheep or so
21:03:21 <andythenorth> also TGP is terrible
21:03:28 * andythenorth has mentioned it before
21:03:35 <Wolf01> Eh, I made it, but it was modified afterwards by RichK and others
21:03:35 <andythenorth> I even patched tropic to not be broken :P
21:03:43 <peter1138> it's just perlin noise
21:03:56 <frosch123> andythenorth: "retired" people sayd farewell, inactive ones got under a car
21:03:56 <peter1138> just a dodgy implementation that is quite fast
21:04:17 <andythenorth> planetmaker: are you active, inactive, or retired? o_O
21:04:19 <peter1138> i had all sorts of weird generators going on
21:04:28 <peter1138> but i don't know where they went
21:04:39 <peter1138> i was using a separate program to generate a heightmap to experiment quickly
21:04:43 <Alberth> in a world of their own, I guess
21:04:52 <andythenorth> actually the list is _mostly_ accurate
21:05:32 <andythenorth> I think truebr*in is most accurate: ‘retired...ish'
21:06:54 <frosch123> hte patcher list at the bottom contains none of the recent patchers :p
21:08:52 <andythenorth> most wikis would be improved imho by a chaos monkey that randomly deletes 50% of pages
21:10:40 <supermop> andythenorth: what's the halflife on that monkey? 1 hour?
21:11:29 <Wolf01> Nah, it depends when Space Marines come to burn it as heretic
21:12:07 <frosch123> prussian or french space marines?
21:12:14 <andythenorth> supermop: randomised
21:12:51 <supermop> randomly deletes 50% of remaining pages each second
21:13:38 <supermop> just give each page some tiny probability of deleting itself each minute
21:14:25 <supermop> but also has some small probability of reproducing
21:20:16 * Wolf01 should... meh, 3D camera killed me :|
21:21:01 <frosch123> andythenorth: how about randomly redirection to pages on other wikis?
21:21:32 <planetmaker> andythenorth, if I knew :) But I'm not retired :D
21:21:46 <andythenorth> status: ‘undefined'
21:21:50 <frosch123> after all ottd wiki is known for his excellent articles about germany
21:22:08 <planetmaker> saw that, too. Fantastic
21:22:30 <planetmaker> I wonder about the return percentage to such spam mails
21:22:46 <frosch123> andythenorth: spam to info@openttd is special
21:23:03 <andythenorth> I have had my email address on company websites for 15 years
21:23:06 <andythenorth> I get special spam
21:23:07 <frosch123> it's nothing like the spam i get to my private addresses
21:23:19 <planetmaker> obviously the wiki page mentioning german railset is a page about Germany ;)
21:23:32 <andythenorth> ‘as the owner of domain xyz.com…[insert scam here]’
21:23:32 <planetmaker> yeah, that differs greatly :)
21:24:17 <andythenorth> email -> dev/null
21:24:28 <andythenorth> does it have to be read in case of DMCA notices or something?
21:25:11 <peter1138> how do i map v->direction and enterdir to a track?
21:25:47 <frosch123> peter1138: there is a function to map a diagdir to a set of 3 trackdirs
21:25:59 <frosch123> you can insect/and that with the result for the other dir
21:27:50 <frosch123> DiagdirReachesTrackdirs and DiagdirReachesTracks
21:29:42 <planetmaker> andythenorth, yeah, better it is read
21:30:02 <andythenorth> is there ever anything good in it? o_O
21:30:02 <planetmaker> but the amount of e-mails is quite managable. So it's not a big burdon
21:30:14 <planetmaker> though officially dmca should go to abuse... but you never know
21:31:18 <planetmaker> but more important: it has the e-mails from our provider :)
21:31:32 <frosch123> andythenorth: 50% twitter business hints, 25% other spam, 20% bugs/suggestion forum, 5% server hosting needs renewing
21:32:11 <planetmaker> :D about that, yes
21:34:14 <planetmaker> 25 e-mails for March is managable
21:34:27 <planetmaker> unless s/o deleted spam ;)
21:34:40 <frosch123> i always delete the spam
21:34:55 <frosch123> i only keep the legit spam in the hope that someone knows how to disable it
21:35:23 <frosch123> but i disabled everything in twitter that i found
21:35:38 <frosch123> i even added a "don't tweet at this. nooone reads it"
21:36:24 <planetmaker> perfect these twitter e-mails:
21:36:32 <andythenorth> I should follow @openttdnews
21:36:39 <planetmaker> How do I know an email is from Twitter?
21:36:39 <planetmaker> Links in this email will start with “https://” and contain “MailScanner has detected definite fraud in the website at "twitter.com". Do not trust this website: twitter.com.” Your browser will also display a padlock icon to let you know a site is secure. (...)"
21:36:41 <andythenorth> then I’d know when releases were coming
21:37:31 <frosch123> andythenorth: we only have 60% of the followers that ttd2013 has
21:37:42 <frosch123> though i did not count the amount of fake followers
21:38:05 <planetmaker> I wonder how much worth these warnings are when they chime also in the legit cases (which they seem to do here)
21:39:21 <glx> too many false positive makes the warning useless
21:56:22 * andythenorth had 11 hours sleep in the last 3 days
21:56:26 <andythenorth> that is less than normal :P
22:01:31 <frosch123> Wolf01: i forgot those keylocks were a thing
22:01:45 <Wolf01> I still have one on this pc
22:05:53 <peter1138> ^ i gave up and made a lookup table
22:06:03 <peter1138> i'm sure there's something for that one but i can't see it immediately
22:06:38 <peter1138> maybe the table already exists alsO :p
22:11:16 <peter1138> put a signal at the end of the platform like on the other station
22:27:58 <quiznilo> I'm going to set up some tests because there is still stuff about path signalling that I've never understood
22:28:11 <peter1138> safe waiting point. that's pretty much it.
22:33:59 <peter1138> hmm, ok, so it stops ships lagging when there's no orders
22:34:08 <peter1138> then when you send them all to depot it all lags again :p
22:34:53 <peter1138> i suppose it's kinda better
22:34:58 <peter1138> but still only half-arsed
22:35:48 <andythenorth> actually I like ships :P
22:35:48 <frosch123> peter1138: "Ship::state" is the current track
22:36:23 <frosch123> except when it is on a brdige
22:36:29 <frosch123> then it is TRACK_BIT_WORMHOLE
22:36:54 <peter1138> needs to flip side for non X/Y tracks but maybe easier
22:37:30 <frosch123> there is also Ship::GetVehicleTrackdir
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22:44:21 <peter1138> TRACK_BIT_DEPOT as well
22:58:16 * peter1138 ponders direction between two tiles
22:59:38 <peter1138> DiagdirBetweenTiles
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23:38:32 <quiznilo> 'waiting for free path'
23:41:53 <Eddi|zuHause> so what is the problem?
23:42:18 <Eddi|zuHause> if the train already "goes to depot", then it has a specific depot in mind, it won't change over because the other one is free
23:42:31 <quiznilo> I want the train to go down the unused left path
23:43:36 <quiznilo> I'm in search of handling the 'goes to depot' more efficiently, I saw an image on the wiki
23:43:41 <Eddi|zuHause> put a waypoint before the path signal, with 1 space between them, put "go to waypoint" and "service at nearest depot" orders in
23:44:11 <quiznilo> that explains everything
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