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11:54:04 <Alberth> wrt FS#5544 (overbuilding stations), would it be possible to detect that nothing changes?
11:54:41 <frosch123> random bits always change, but you cannot tell whether they matter :p
11:55:13 <Alberth> would people overbuild for new random bits? :p
11:55:30 <frosch123> i do not use newstations a lot
11:55:52 <frosch123> but i imagine someone talked about rebuilding stations until the right layout shows up
11:56:24 <Alberth> perhaps make changing random bits free?
11:57:02 <frosch123> well, let's stay with default stations: should it be allowed to overbuild default stations with roof with those without roof
11:57:18 <frosch123> or those without roof with those without roof but with a house?
11:57:54 <Alberth> some have a house? :)
11:57:55 <frosch123> a more general approach might be to disallow overbuilding the same rectangular area with the same type of station again
11:58:13 <frosch123> yes, if you build a 1x5 station, the tile in the middle has a station house
11:58:19 <frosch123> while the other 4 tiles do not have one
11:58:27 <frosch123> you can rebuild 1x1 over them and they all get houses
11:58:42 <planetmaker> <Alberth> would people overbuild for new random bits? :p <-- definitely yes
11:58:53 <frosch123> the station remembers which rectangular parts were built together
11:59:10 <frosch123> so, one might disallow overbuilding the same areas with the same station
11:59:12 <Alberth> I do occasionally overbuild a platform with default stations to make 1/2 roofs disappear
11:59:44 <frosch123> but well, if people really want to overbuild the same thing with the same just for random bits, your are screwed anyway
12:00:56 <Alberth> if you want to overbuild for nice random bits, it's going to be messy though :p
12:01:10 <Alberth> but that doesn't seem like a big problem to me
12:02:29 <Alberth> imho if you want that amount of control, make a station set with individual tiles
12:03:02 <frosch123> oh, we might also just make it free :p
12:03:05 <planetmaker> build large-scale area. And then overbuild single pieces
12:03:36 <Alberth> another option, disallow building the same thing again at the same place in say 1 second
12:03:50 <planetmaker> that's stupid imho. annoying
12:04:05 <frosch123> yeah, that would be quite confusing
12:04:15 <frosch123> and completely broken when playin gni pause :)
12:04:44 <frosch123> how about making building free when overbuilding the same area with the same type
12:04:55 <frosch123> i.e. when only build-date and random bits change
12:05:09 <Alberth> seems the best solution so far, to me
12:06:09 <planetmaker> honestly, I'm not sure fs5544 needs fixing in that sense
12:06:26 <frosch123> it's reported one or twice a year :p
12:07:35 <planetmaker> oh, frosch123 overbuilding for default stations also has an effect, of course.
12:07:47 <planetmaker> the benches, or big halls versions...
12:07:58 <frosch123> yeah, but not when overbuilding the same area
12:08:35 <planetmaker> I sometimes even overbuild parts of the big hall version with 1-tile parts for default station :-)
12:09:16 <planetmaker> maybe the solution is to allow overbuilding for free in general, if the station tiles are not older than one game year or so
12:09:33 <planetmaker> and charge, if the last build date on any of the affected tiles is older than a year
12:10:11 <planetmaker> Maybe we should also disable the local authority check when only overbuilding station parts
12:11:32 <planetmaker> that would have one additional advantage: you can build a LARGE station at once. And thus get bad rating. And then you can still beautify it
12:11:49 <planetmaker> but that, of course, is another "problem"
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19:19:03 <Rubidium> might 5544 already be in knownbugs?
19:20:21 <Rubidium> guess I'm imagining things
19:22:34 <Alberth> is it technically a bug?
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