IRC logs for #opendune on OFTC at 2010-02-03
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09:36:56 <Xaroth> remapped my attributes
09:37:02 <Xaroth> 64 days left for trainign :)
09:38:07 <Xaroth> it's like training for battleship 5, only less boring seeing I have to change skills every 4 days at least :P
09:39:22 <Xaroth> and done on jack as well.. jack's more specialized now.. saved him 10 hours on his -current- skilltraining alone (3d8h to 2d22h)
14:33:32 <tb2> Tethering for the win ... :)
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14:50:18 <TrueBrain_Alt> tracing how the save/load GUI is created ... nifty .. but hard to allow autosaves
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15:22:07 <DMJC-L> if you're remaking dune 2 why not remake Dune2000?
15:44:12 <Xaroth> because we went for the oldskool game :)
15:44:28 <Xaroth> and Dune 2000 didn't really change much from oldskool Dune 2
15:44:44 <Xaroth> just the graphics, but due to that, it also lost the retro feel
15:59:52 <DMJC-L> it's just that there are about 3 dune2 remakes I've seen
15:59:58 <DMJC-L> and no dune 2000 or emperor remakes
16:00:33 <Xaroth> it's also a case, that legality-wise, it's easier to do a dune2 remake than a 2000 or emperor remake
16:00:41 <DMJC-L> although since I got both games running in wine I don't really need a remake :D
16:00:52 <Xaroth> dune 2 is ooooooooooold, and tracking down the legal 'owner' of an old product is neigh-impossible
16:01:02 <DMJC-L> uh... dune 2 belongs to EA
16:01:20 <DMJC-L> didn't westwood make it?
16:01:37 <Xaroth> and westwood merged into x, into Y, into z, into A, all the way until you end up at the E of EA :P
16:02:09 <Xaroth> there's also often 2 owners, the creator and the producer, virgin, in this case, has no legal backtrace anymore
16:02:32 <Xaroth> we've got our contacts to sort it out, but even for the common joe
16:02:43 <Xaroth> it's easy to make a game when nobody really knows who owns it
16:03:31 <DMJC-L> how close to dune2k is dune2?
16:03:39 <Xaroth> er, different graphics, same idea
16:04:07 <Xaroth> dune2k was nothing that much more than a remake of dune2, with better graphics
16:04:09 <DMJC-L> so basically you could take say a dune 2 remake, up the resolution and swap in the dune2k graphics?
16:04:21 <Xaroth> er, probably not, the engine has changed quite a bit
16:04:48 <DMJC-L> location of stuff like menubars?
16:04:59 <Xaroth> er, dune2 uses a grid-like system
16:05:07 <Xaroth> dune2k is more coordinate-like system
16:05:30 <Xaroth> so it'll require a lot of limitations to be removed to make it work
16:05:59 <DMJC-L> what sort of limitations?
16:06:16 <Xaroth> the graphics engine for one
16:06:39 <Xaroth> the AI system is also quite limited, but we already discussed a possibility to eventually replace that with something more fancy, like LUA
16:06:50 <Xaroth> right now the AI is dumb
16:06:57 <Xaroth> it attacks you in a straight line over and over again
16:07:07 <Xaroth> if you put up a brick wall between you and him, he won't be able to do anything
16:07:27 <Xaroth> proper AIs(especially nowaday AIs) know how to identify those situations, and try to adapt
16:07:38 <Xaroth> like in C&C Generals, enemies will attack from different openings
16:07:49 <Xaroth> defend one to the teeth, they'll just pick the one you forgot to defend
16:07:57 <DMJC-L> dune2k used a reasonably straight line approach
16:08:12 <DMJC-L> and it had a really weird thing where you could draw out an entire bases army
16:09:15 <Xaroth> also, to get back to your original point, we're not doing a remake, we're doing a 'perfect clone'
16:09:45 <Xaroth> our process involves creating something that will be very close to how the original code would have looked like
16:09:57 <Xaroth> give or take a few changes for prettyness sake
16:10:01 <DMJC-L> yeah I noticed when I saw info on decompilling
16:10:23 <Xaroth> we're able to load dune2 savegames, and save games that can be loaded in dune2
16:10:36 <Xaroth> identical AI, identical scenarios
16:11:10 <DMJC-L> are you going to remove any limitations? like the screen resolution?
16:11:25 <DMJC-L> heh 320x240 on a 30" dell will look hillarious
16:11:42 <Xaroth> i damn well hope we will :P
16:11:47 <DMJC-L> still playable though... Wing Commander was cool like that
16:14:31 <DMJC-L> I don't know why but these obscure projects always interest me
16:15:06 <Xaroth> most of the people in ehre do as well
16:18:22 <DMJC-L> hmm looks like dune2000 slots in between tiberian sun and Red alert 1
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