IRC logs for #opendune on OFTC at 2010-01-25
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11:11:43 *** TrueBrain has joined #openDune
11:18:39 <Xaroth> still from mibbit ! :P
11:23:31 <TrueBrain> I love Windows 7 and vSphere
11:23:36 <TrueBrain> go get a coffee or something
11:24:01 <TrueBrain> owh, there it finally is
11:29:50 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Yexo_
12:22:06 <Xaroth> you love windows 7!?!?!?!?!?
12:22:10 <Xaroth> it still looks like crap to me :/
12:22:27 <TrueBrain> you should install a sarcasm detector :p
12:45:30 *** TrueBrain is now known as TrueBrain_Hidden
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12:55:35 <TrueBrain> there ... that should do it
12:55:39 <TrueBrain> I think I got it all then ...
12:56:24 <TrueBrain> time will tell .. it does feel like the 'good' old times :p
12:58:30 <Xaroth> no idea, i'd say ask him :o
12:59:35 <Xaroth> also posted in 2 other spots
12:59:38 <TrueBrain> okay, that is another job done for the day ...
13:00:34 <Xaroth> expect your reply in threefold as well :P
13:00:49 <TrueBrain> in different topics of course
13:01:13 <Xaroth> probably even different forums as well.
13:10:33 <TrueBrain> Look! No mibbit! :)
13:26:09 *** Xaroth sets mode: +o TrueBrain
13:26:14 <Xaroth> now to get autoop to work? :P
13:26:42 <TrueBrain> owh, I am not even known by nickserv atm :p
13:27:08 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: I don't recognize you.
13:27:15 <Xaroth> glx: he already had autoop, he just never identifies to nickserv :P
13:27:24 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: TrueBrain
13:27:30 <DorpsGek> Xaroth: I don't recognize you.
13:30:42 <TrueBrain> yeah, I am pretty sure they should be there, but do we know absolutely sure? :p
13:31:02 <glx> I checked the emu_cs data
13:31:25 <TrueBrain> yeah, you are right :)
13:31:28 <TrueBrain> so looks good to me!
13:37:10 <DorpsGek> SVN: glx (r829) [JIT] -Fix: a problem before it happen
13:37:58 <DorpsGek> SVN: glx (r830) -Update (r829): update decompiled code
14:20:59 <TrueBrain> yup; and we all are hoping all ISPs catch on that soon ..
14:21:36 <glx> it just works, without requiring equipment renewal
14:23:32 <glx> you can be sure orange will be the last to switch to IPv6 ;)
14:29:32 <TrueBrain> it only works if the switches are IPv6 capable
14:30:11 <TrueBrain> and as most switch manufactures (Cisco for example) is asking good money for firmware upgrades, many ISPs are not upgrading
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16:01:59 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Yexo
16:03:05 <TrueBrain> @calc 45255 - 8000 - 36937
16:14:16 <TrueBrain> @calc (4243 - 750) / 3
16:14:16 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 1164.33333333
18:37:52 <glx> again, but different place it seems :)
18:40:15 <TrueBrain> in that case .. let me just reproduce :)
18:40:51 <glx> well it's a follower of previous crash ;)
18:41:19 <glx> as now tneo could build the second repair center
18:42:21 <tneo> yup and prior to building it I saved and right after again then this crash happened
18:42:40 <TrueBrain> I can save, but nothing new happens :p
18:44:01 <TrueBrain> okay, that memory dump is weird .. not something I can load ..
18:44:18 <TrueBrain> the return-tree is causing the JIT to fail
18:44:48 <TrueBrain> tneo: in your copy/paste there is one line missing
18:44:52 <TrueBrain> namely where it is jumping too
18:45:17 <tneo> The jump was triggered at decompiled/cs__B4CD.c:69
18:45:17 <tneo> The jump appears to originate from B4CD:0024.
18:45:17 <tneo> Please send the file 'memory/crash.bin' to upstream developers.
18:45:17 <tneo> Crash-dump in 'memory/crash.bin'
18:45:25 <TrueBrain> the line above that
18:45:34 <tneo> Program Termination: jumped to 420A:057E, which is not decompiled.
18:45:44 <TrueBrain> that one is important too ;)
18:46:44 <TrueBrain> the jump place is completely invalid .. so the memory has to be corrupted
18:46:49 <TrueBrain> I think the overlay manager fucks up from time to time
18:53:35 <TrueBrain> sorry, wish I had better news :)
19:01:33 <tneo> I keep you busy enough already ;-)
19:28:47 <Xaroth> for those who know it.. spinoff from DotA
19:29:13 <Xaroth> there's basically two spinoffs from dota, Heroes of Newerth
19:29:39 <Xaroth> HoN is more close to DotA, whereas LoL went for the same approach, only a completely new setup, and new balancing
19:31:23 <Xaroth> DotA was/is one of the most known warcraft 3 mods
19:31:35 <Xaroth> there's even a song made of it, by basshunter
19:31:47 <Xaroth> think he appeared in the top 40 in holland with that as well :/
19:32:01 <Xaroth> ... same dude also made a song about an irc bot... that turns out to be a girl
19:37:20 <Xaroth> ironically his album (yes, he actually lasted long enough to make an album) is also called LOL....
19:37:39 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: that wasn't a typo :P
19:37:51 <TrueBrain> I liked how his second song had the EXACT same music-line
19:37:54 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: neither was mine ;)
19:38:14 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: i have his album on disk, it's even worse :P
19:40:47 <TrueBrain> so there .. now I am bored
19:41:23 <TrueBrain> I promised to write something for OpenTTD :o
19:42:09 <TrueBrain> no, we are -that- worried about bandwidth :p
19:42:21 <Xaroth> how so, going over it like mad?
19:42:40 <TrueBrain> without the binaries. mirrors: HELL YES
19:42:51 <TrueBrain> the mirrors in total run 1GB/h
19:43:25 <Xaroth> i had expected more tbh
19:43:38 <TrueBrain> that is only binaries.openttd.org
19:43:50 <Xaroth> then there's banananananananananananas
19:44:05 <Xaroth> which probably isn't the small consumer either
19:44:06 <TrueBrain> we also run another 1GB/h per day on our server (which is not in the mirror rotation)
19:44:23 <TrueBrain> well .. if Rubidiums predictions are correct, it will spike on 1.0.0 release
19:45:12 <Xaroth> at least most sane linux distros have their own repo for the binaries
19:45:30 <TrueBrain> we run at 7 mbit/s ... omg
19:45:40 <TrueBrain> @calc 7 * 60 * 60 / 1024
19:45:40 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 24.609375
19:46:26 <Xaroth> @calc 7*3600*24*30 / 1024
19:46:34 <Xaroth> @calc 7*3600*24*30 / (1024**2)
19:46:34 <DorpsGek> Xaroth: 17.3034667969
19:46:44 <Xaroth> sounds accurate enough
19:46:51 <TrueBrain> 7 mbit/s 95% ruling
19:46:54 <TrueBrain> so it is not the average
19:47:01 <TrueBrain> average is around 2.something
19:47:18 <TrueBrain> but we run 800GB a month, without the binaries
19:47:49 <TrueBrain> so ... I now have to write something that offloads the BaNaNaS services .. in the hope to reduce the risk of running into problems at the release
19:49:04 <TrueBrain> it does mean I need to touch the OpenTTD source code :p
19:54:50 <TrueBrain> @calc 4243 - 750 - 792
19:59:55 <TrueBrain> @calc (4243 - 750) / 3 - 792
19:59:55 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 372.333333333
20:04:40 <TrueBrain> @calc (4243 - 750) / 3
20:04:40 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 1164.33333333
20:05:35 <TrueBrain> yeah, trying to use my skillpoints in their fullest
20:05:42 <TrueBrain> need to let this value walk up to 3200 now ...
20:06:04 <TrueBrain> yeah .. fuck them ... I really think it is insanely stupid it puts the whole skill in the slow rate
20:06:36 <Xaroth> heh, it'll cost you what.. 10 minutes? :P
20:06:57 <TrueBrain> at first I put a 6 hour job in, which all of a sudden took 12 hours
20:07:04 <TrueBrain> while it was 10 minutes (!) over the 1.6M
20:09:18 <TrueBrain> ha, 2 skillpoints :)
20:12:28 <TrueBrain> its the thought that counts :p
20:31:31 <TrueBrain> pfff .. OpenTTD code .. always a bitch to read yourself into
20:36:19 <Xaroth> shouldn't be that big of a change, right? :o
20:36:45 <TrueBrain> depends how good I want to do this
20:37:08 <TrueBrain> a complete HTTP component, or limited to basic 'fetch file'
20:39:30 <Xaroth> you using a http redirect based on geoip, or a geo-dns thing for binaries btw?
20:40:37 <Xaroth> you can always have whatever is serving as master server for bananas to act as a redirect
20:40:44 <Xaroth> as in, telling the client what host to use to fetch the files
20:41:16 <TrueBrain> the content server is custom software
20:41:21 <TrueBrain> you can't run that on a mirror
20:41:26 <TrueBrain> besides, it requires a mysql connection
20:42:02 <Xaroth> no, but you can make the content server point to some other server (http?) that serves the files as well
20:42:21 <TrueBrain> for that we need a http component, not? :)
20:42:38 <Xaroth> never looked into bananas code
20:42:48 <Xaroth> so if you say it needs that, yes
20:42:58 <TrueBrain> it is either that, or custom software on a mirror
20:43:14 <Xaroth> http is easier, especially as it's static content..ish
20:43:25 <TrueBrain> and then after long trying to find a good solution with the minimal amount of impact and changes for current protocol, we found a nice solution
20:43:31 <TrueBrain> newer clients will make a http connection on their own
20:43:35 <TrueBrain> our blaancer understands the requests
20:44:01 <TrueBrain> if the file is not at the http, it falls back to the old protocol
20:44:11 <TrueBrain> that should hopefully offload most of it (but not all)
20:48:13 <Xaroth> trying to prod sharlath btw, but he seems to be afk -_-
21:03:13 <TrueBrain> hmm .. it is kind of tricky to know how much you have to read from a HTTP connection :p
21:05:43 <TrueBrain> or I need to request a content-length the first time, of a few bytes ...
21:05:47 <TrueBrain> a bit nasty, and not globally supported
21:07:00 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Yexo
21:49:26 <TrueBrain> Yexo: you know he cancelled all his openttd.org accounts, right?
21:50:11 <Yexo> other yes was in the wrong channel
21:50:22 <Xaroth> he went on a tamper tantrum?
21:50:26 <TrueBrain> he is such an ... well .. how shall we call it? :p
21:51:01 <Xaroth> or is he less bad than petert :P
21:55:29 <Yexo> petert at least tries to help when he can (ok, he fails most of the time, but still)
21:56:31 <TrueBrain> and he doesn't demand :)
21:56:42 <TrueBrain> but okay .. it was our first user requesting a complete removal of his accounts
21:56:47 <TrueBrain> and still coming in demanding things :)
21:56:53 <TrueBrain> it amuses me for some reason
22:11:00 * planetmaker votes the suspect the most annoying person of the last 12 months
22:26:15 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: sharlath located and prod applied
22:30:55 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: PeterT already has a hard time .. he can't talk to DorpsGek anymore :p
22:31:11 <Xaroth> he was trying to talk to you to get him unignored from dorpsgek
22:31:21 <Xaroth> not knowing that 1) you weren't there, 2) you'd probably be ignoring him aswell
22:31:23 <TrueBrain> my mental ignore works very well
22:34:40 <Xaroth> there, discussed some things with shar
22:35:57 <Xaroth> well it's a bit awkward to have me do the entire recruitment process for you :P
22:37:05 <TrueBrain> he had a backlog! :p
22:37:22 <Xaroth> well there's a few dozen people somewhere 'in' the recruitment process
22:37:23 <TrueBrain> I read 12 people were in the queue ....
22:37:43 <Xaroth> bit more than 12 tho.. especially with you added to the list
22:37:50 <Xaroth> but you went from last in line to.. first? :P
22:38:04 <TrueBrain> still sucks for those other people :p
22:38:17 <TrueBrain> people tend not to wait too long for a reply in such games, dunno why :p
22:38:27 <Xaroth> we have quitte a status
22:38:43 <TrueBrain> then that might be it, but it was tempting to accept a few invites :p
22:38:58 <TrueBrain> (doing the Epic mission brings you in touch with a lot of people :p)
22:39:01 <Xaroth> plus everybody normally has to undergo character background check
22:39:29 <Xaroth> and that takes quite a while
22:49:26 <Xaroth> right, prodded him some more
22:49:36 <Xaroth> he gets to decide whether he talks to you, or I should
22:49:53 <Xaroth> for the next step in the recruitment thing
22:50:11 <TrueBrain> don't make him angry or anything :p
22:50:52 <Xaroth> I know how to prod shar :)
22:52:17 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: get online, just in case :o (if you can, that is)
22:56:07 <Xaroth> not sure if he's going to contact you right now, but this will help me prodding him into being less slacking :P
23:13:44 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: shar talking to you already? :o
23:18:58 <TrueBrain> there, I wrote a HTTP component for OpenTTD
23:19:21 <TrueBrain> including a test-case
23:56:22 <Xaroth> ooh, heb je vast wel aan gedacht, User-agent: header met versie nummer :P
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