IRC logs for #opendune on OFTC at 2010-01-11
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09:52:18 <tb2> Yeah! :) Still am ... which is surprising ;)
09:52:25 <tb2> my computer on the other hand died .. HD seems to be dead :(
09:53:30 <tb2> now the computer doens't want to pass post-boot ....
09:53:35 <tb2> it is getting better and better :p
09:54:28 <tb2> good comeback of a holiday :)
09:54:31 <tb2> so how are things going here?
09:55:36 <Xaroth> it died yesterday then
09:55:40 <Xaroth> seeing you timed out yesterday :P
09:55:51 <tb2> yup ... around the time I came back, to be a bit ironic
09:55:58 <tb2> there was a power failure here just before I entered the building
09:56:10 <tb2> and slow indeed, seeing now commits were done :p
09:58:43 <tb2> sector 8192 is damaged ....
09:59:24 <Xaroth> there have been commits! :o
10:00:12 <tb2> how to read data from a HD when the first few sectors are damaged :(
10:00:27 <tb2> I would really REALLY REALLY like some data from that disk :p
10:00:35 <tb2> the first few sectors means it never shows up
10:00:45 <tb2> the kernel throws out the HD because it can;t initialize it ..
10:01:15 <tb2> how would that change anything?
10:01:22 <tb2> I can plugin the HD in any system
10:01:33 <tb2> but the kernel will keep on throwing it out :p
10:01:34 <Xaroth> copy the hd including partition table rather than copy a partition
10:02:16 <tb2> and sadly enough, you can't prevent the kernel from trying to access the disk
10:03:07 <tb2> lets see if mac can make anything out of it
10:03:20 <Xaroth> btw, i added a repo browser to svn.opendune.org
10:03:29 <Xaroth> glx found that would be useful
10:03:35 <Xaroth> allows viewing of files and a log
10:03:45 <tb2> IOUSBMassStorageClass[0x1064be00]: The device is still unresponsive after 6 consecutive USB Device Resets; it will be terminated.
10:05:07 <tb2> even if I can get it to work, I don't have a spare 500GB to put the data on :p
10:05:19 <tb2> what to do, what to do ....
10:06:30 <Xaroth> (seriously, there was somebody in #ottd that suggested xml for save game format so he could 'edit his save easier' )
10:06:41 <tb2> and no worries, not the last time
10:08:59 <tb3> I seem to have a bad influence on hardware since my boarding experience :p
10:09:11 <tb3> and I can't access VMFS systems .. how to retrieve any of my data now :(
10:09:38 <Xaroth> that seems to suck arse.. pretty much
10:10:25 <tb3> yeah ... I have a nice going here :p
10:10:33 <tb3> running out of ideas to retrieve my data :p
10:13:49 <tb3> at least I found a 500GB HD I can use ...
10:14:59 <tb3> a nice way to come back from a holiday ... I have an exam in 2 hours, I have a project deadline in 6 hours, I have a crashed server, I have a crashed HD, I have 2 big projects which need to be finished before the end of ht eweek ..... owh happy days!
10:16:31 <Xaroth> crunch time after vacation always sucks, but that's a whole new level of suckyness o_O
10:22:39 <tb3> installing ESXi on my USB stick .. who knows that can help ..
10:32:21 <tb3> well, that worked .. now it still doesn't want to boot when I plug the other HD in ....
10:32:30 <tb3> starts to smell like hardware damage too ...
10:32:35 <Xaroth> but at least you got your vmfs?
10:33:04 <tb3> it boots from the USB .. but when I plugin the second HD, the BIOS doesn't want to boot ... in result ... I can't access the VMFS :p
10:33:52 <tb3> takes a while to boot .. and I have eno idea what is on the second HD (VMFS wise)
10:34:21 <Xaroth> hrnf, that's going to be a pain to fix then :/
10:38:06 <tb3> hmm ... my bootcamp can't find a route to the host :(
10:45:48 <tb3> stupid VMFS .. it wants to format it now ...
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11:06:26 <tb3> sigh ... it seems impossible :(
11:06:37 <tb3> that would suck really bad
11:16:56 <tb3> it seems, I am just fucked ....
11:23:35 <tb3> I think I now will be better off renting a server at leaseweb :p
11:37:11 <tb3> FUCKING RETARDED HARDDISK :(
11:37:16 <tb3> bah bah bah bah bah bah bah bah bah
11:43:30 <tb3> oh well, time to get to work
13:23:11 <Xaroth> ... but broke a pc or two
15:10:32 <tb2> I need my HD to work again :( Why does it keep on failing .. I need him to work .. can someone send him some love please?
15:10:41 <tb2> Xaroth: what shall I do? 1 month or 12 months subscription?
15:13:33 <Xaroth> er, i'd say start with a 1 month
15:13:48 <Xaroth> if you think it sucks after 3 months you'll at least not have wasted much money on it
15:16:43 <Xaroth> I've not been on the past few days
15:16:47 <Xaroth> but I heard we were doing something wierd
15:23:49 <tb2> k .. something to play tonight
15:24:02 <tb2> now i first need to waste time on fixing my machine :(
15:24:05 <Xaroth> I decided to get Evil Genius btw
15:24:08 <Xaroth> fucking hilarious game
15:35:10 <tb2> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.Exception: VMFS FSInfo block not found :(
15:48:06 <Xaroth> The character will then advance through a skill training system after play begins. You will learn with double the normal speed until you hit 1,6 Mio Skillpoints. The skill training system is explained later in this guide. There are no classes in EVE and no race is generally superior to another - at least not as far as the game mechanics are concerned. Which race is best for you is a matter of personal taste, based on which description intrigues you and how
15:48:07 <tb2> okay .. so the two disks were in a LVM multipath
15:48:40 <Xaroth> tb2: more that he used some tool on an ubuntu livecd to test it
15:48:43 <Xaroth> maybe that works for you?
15:48:48 <Xaroth> dunno what the tool does exactly
15:49:05 <tb2> so I need to train certain things before I hit the 1.6M? :)
15:49:14 <tb2> suggestions for what I really should have btw?
15:49:32 <Xaroth> learning skills increase your attributes, which in turn means you train faster
15:49:47 <Xaroth> the sooner you learn those, the more benefit you get from it
15:49:55 <tb2> I trained a few of those I believe
15:50:02 <tb2> well, something for tonight
15:50:07 <tb2> first I want to fix this shit :p
15:50:30 <tb2> I have 1 lvm path .. but clearly it is damaged .. dah .. on a 1TB disk there can't be 1.4TB of data
15:50:39 <tb2> so what are the odds of recovering anything ..
15:51:09 <Xaroth> once things like that get broken things turn nasty quite fast :/
15:51:48 <tb2> hmm .. I don't have LVM installed here .. lets do that first
15:51:56 <Xaroth> anyways, I was thinking of creating 2 production alts on a separate account, and move those over to my main account
15:52:01 <Xaroth> so I can help out with the T2 production
15:52:12 <Xaroth> we apparently have a few dozen T2 blueprints
15:52:13 <tb2> why make them on another first?
15:52:25 <Xaroth> er, because it takes 1-2 months to train such a character
15:52:37 <Xaroth> and I train ~ 1m skillpoints on my main per month
15:52:49 <Xaroth> so that means losing out on 4m (probably more) skillpoints on my main character
15:53:05 <tb2> but ... you can have 3 chars on one account, not?
15:53:12 <Xaroth> yeh, but only 1 can train at a time
15:53:30 <Xaroth> so after done training I move them back
15:53:36 <Xaroth> since then they don't need more training
15:53:57 <Xaroth> probably costs a bit more cash-wise, but saves cash in terms of what I pay per month to get those 4m back :P
15:54:34 <tb2> I btw now have 13M ISK! WHOHO! :p
15:55:11 <tb2> lvm seems unable to read the partly volume either ...
15:55:37 <Xaroth> and grats on 13m isk :)
15:55:49 <tb2> I had 5M on another account, which I could active for 3 days
15:56:41 <tb2> spend 2M on all kinds of skills :p
15:59:33 <tb2> okay .. I think I need to consider this machine lost ....
15:59:38 <tb2> so then what data is lost .....
15:59:51 <tb2> music collection ... well, I have them on CD, so not a big deal, just a lot of time ...
16:00:06 <tb2> all logs (IRC, MSN, ...) of the last 3 years ... bah .. but acceptable ..
16:00:11 <tb2> all projects are in a backup ...
16:00:17 <tb2> so just a lot of time rebuilding everything
16:00:36 <tb2> I log everything in general
16:00:42 <tb2> over MSN is also business talk
16:00:45 <tb2> so it is required to log that :)
16:02:58 <tb2> hmm .. the first 1MB of the second disk shows only \x0
16:04:30 <tb2> then there is the ID of the HD .. why would that be in the lvm stuff ...
16:12:13 <tb2> I can try a few restore things on the LVM
16:12:17 <tb2> but it can also destroy it completely :p
16:18:06 <tb2> k .. I start to doubt if it contains a LVM volume :p
16:19:41 <tb2> it contains A LOT of zeros :p
16:19:50 <tb2> makes me wonder if this volume was ever used :p
16:26:40 <Xaroth> Total time: 38 days, 15 hours, 7 minutes, 27 seconds; Cost: 20.530.000 ISK
16:26:46 <Xaroth> and I'm only half way for production alt :/
16:27:29 <Xaroth> bare in mind, that's just 1.3m SP in total I got on that list :P
16:27:37 <Xaroth> that's just for production
16:28:06 <tb2> how do you calculate that?! :p
16:28:15 <tb2> and what on earth do you need for T2?
16:28:27 <Xaroth> it's a .net application (yes, i've actually contributed code to that at some point :P )
16:29:10 <Xaroth> at least the Advanced production list I'm working on
16:29:38 <Xaroth> Advanced Mass Production 4 (really, you want more slots.. and 5 isn't efficient to do)
16:29:40 <tb2> why is EVEMon not webbased? Would be much more easier
16:29:46 <Xaroth> Production Efficiency 5
16:30:08 <Xaroth> Supply Chain Management 3 (for remote jobs)
16:30:18 <Xaroth> Mechanic 5 (for capital ship production)
16:30:26 <Xaroth> Cap ship production 3 (for cap ship components)
16:30:45 <Xaroth> apparently that list above should be around 14 days
16:31:11 <Xaroth> ofcourse you can go for implants and learning to optimize that
16:31:30 <Xaroth> I added Minmatar Industrial 4 to be able to fly the mammoth, so you can haul minerals/stuff from one place to another
16:32:06 <Xaroth> that list above is for T1 production
16:32:46 <Xaroth> HAH, according to evemon, I can train a few skills, and save 15 days in total to that list
16:33:15 <Xaroth> for T2 -component- skills you need all science-related skills to L3 iirc
16:33:28 <Xaroth> like Gallentean Starship Engineering
16:33:36 <Xaroth> like the * Physics stuff
16:33:53 <Xaroth> for starship engineering you need Science 5
16:34:11 <Xaroth> and for the physics its science 5 and engineering 5 or so
16:34:51 <tb2> For security reasons, you cannot login to the EVE Forums until your account is at least 72 hours old.
16:34:55 <Xaroth> I think I'll wait for the next Power of Two deal
16:35:19 <tb2> but I am already a member for 1+ month
16:35:41 <Xaroth> can you log in to get your API details?
16:35:56 <tb2> the site I got poitned to gave that error
16:36:56 <tb2> that gives the above error
16:37:57 <Xaroth> I think the error relates to when you activate your account
16:38:06 <Xaroth> as in, 3 days after you start paying
16:41:36 <tb2> I am scanning my 1TB disk, but so far NO data at all :p
16:44:22 <Xaroth> Total Training Time: 186 days 13h 43 minutes
16:44:37 <tb2> that is a bit more than 2 months :p
16:44:45 <Xaroth> Time before changes: 186 days
16:44:51 <Xaroth> Time after chagnes: 100d 20h
16:45:01 <Xaroth> Time saved: 85d 16hours 51 minutes 16s
16:45:10 <Xaroth> -THAT- is why you get learning skills
16:45:14 <tb2> I can't do anything with that tool without an API key .. stupid ...
16:45:15 <Xaroth> and preferbly a set of +2 implants :)
16:45:31 <Xaroth> simple, start training learning skills :P
16:45:38 <Xaroth> should take you 3 days, give or take :)
16:45:43 <Xaroth> after that you'll be all set to go :)
16:45:46 <tb2> I learned a lot of them already :p
16:45:54 <tb2> now I am just training skills, so I can do stuff
16:46:10 <tb2> most of then immediately to lvl3
16:46:20 <Xaroth> with a full set of +2 implants save myself 11 days
16:46:32 <Xaroth> full set of +3: 16 days
16:46:57 <Xaroth> costs a few mil, but will benefit greatly
16:47:09 <Xaroth> it means 10% gain still
16:47:14 <Xaroth> 10 days on a 100 day train
16:48:18 <Xaroth> but seeing I only have 3 or 4 skills (out of 41) to do with Perception and Willpower
16:48:30 <Xaroth> I'm going to respec my attributes on that char, i think :p
16:50:21 <Xaroth> respeccing tool is a bit odd
16:50:27 <Xaroth> it sais 15 charisma is what I should go for
16:55:42 <Xaroth> without respec it'll be around 83 days
16:56:10 <Xaroth> ah, that's how the optimizer works
16:58:45 <Xaroth> left pane you see a skillbook
16:58:54 <Xaroth> under it 2 graph like thingies as a button
16:59:14 <Xaroth> that button will insert a remap point to the point above the skill you have selected
16:59:17 <Xaroth> then double click that
16:59:20 <Xaroth> to have it optimize that
16:59:31 <Xaroth> the optimization saves me almost 20d
16:59:48 <tb2> I just realised this is the wrong channel for this blabla .. but who cares :p
16:59:51 <Xaroth> then another, i think, 10 days saved from cybernetics
16:59:52 <tb2> still no data on my 1TB disk
16:59:59 <tb2> (at least, 'strings' tell me there are no strings)
17:23:48 <tb2> whoho, it found data on the disk
17:48:33 <Xaroth> oh, also one minor note
17:48:51 <Xaroth> I started from 0, ie, 0 skillpoints, whereas normal chars start with -some- skillpoints
17:55:35 <Xaroth> char creation have intro movies now O_O
18:16:54 <tb2> k, I know the data is around 120GB
18:16:57 <tb2> so lets poke around there
18:20:17 <tb2> hmm .. yes .. that contains a bit of data I would expect
18:20:49 <tb2> haha, not really, but sure
18:21:06 <tb2> if now only I could see if there is a paritition there
18:23:52 <tb2> I am still annoyed you have to wait 3 days for such API key ...
18:24:07 <Xaroth> they went a bit overboard on the anti-isk seller crap
18:24:46 <tb2> and how does this prevent that?
18:25:21 <Xaroth> they were constantly spamming the forums and any other place they could get on by normal logins
18:25:32 <Xaroth> so they restricted site logins to people with at least 3 days on their account paid
18:25:34 <tb2> but .. I have been a trial user for 14 days ...
18:25:48 <Xaroth> isk farmers use trial accounts as well
18:26:22 <Xaroth> one of the lowest 'gold-sellers' in mmos nowadays
18:27:20 <tb2> what is the 'magic number' of ext3 fs ..
18:29:37 <tb2> hmm .. or were it xfs systems
18:33:20 <tb2> yeah, I found one filesystem ..
18:34:06 <tb2> okay ... how to mount it .. hmm ...
18:37:25 <tb2> it only is terribly old :p
18:39:23 <tb2> at least I now have an approach to find filesystems
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20:42:13 <tneo> the network for svn is unreachable
20:42:24 <tneo> svn: Can't connect to host 'svn.opendune.org': Network is unreachable
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20:46:25 <Xaroth> tb2: what is svnserve running under?
20:46:31 <Xaroth> I see no init script for it :o
20:59:36 <tb2> I had the same problem, and 'history' failed :p
20:59:40 <tb2> should be www-data I believe
21:11:27 <tb2> tneo: it should be running again
21:12:07 <Xaroth> but seeing it's fixed, i'll just make notes :P
21:12:23 <tb2> in /var/repos/svn is now a 'boot.sh'
21:34:30 <tb2> @calc 72101130 * 4096 / 1024 / 1024 / 1024
21:34:37 <tb2> at 1/4th of my HD scan ...
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