IRC logs for #opendune on OFTC at 2009-12-20
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00:34:59 <Xaroth> the prev/next buttons for changelog are in place
00:35:11 <Xaroth> now to figure out why the hell pagination decided to left-allign again
00:47:37 <Xaroth> and made the prev/next buttons 'stick' to the left and right corner
00:47:53 <Xaroth> so that they remain in fixed positions relative to the page
00:48:07 <Xaroth> now at the end/beginning of the pagination there's less buttons to display
01:43:54 <Xaroth> always funny to find out things you done wrong
01:44:00 <Xaroth> like.. mixing up old and new revision
01:44:12 <Xaroth> never noticed it until a file got removed in r797
01:44:21 <Xaroth> at which point i had a changelog for a file that had no changes...
01:44:50 <Xaroth> and realise i was making a diff from r797 to 796 rather than from 796 to 797
11:08:34 <TrueBrain> whoho for SSH tunnels :)
11:08:37 <TrueBrain> VPN over a single SSH :)
11:10:20 <Xaroth> I completed changelog btw
11:10:23 <Xaroth> with next/prev buttons
11:10:28 <Xaroth> and pagination for skipping some revs
11:11:59 <Xaroth> I shalt prepare some screenshots
11:14:01 <Xaroth> first being the log, second being a changelog
11:16:37 <Xaroth> 50 revisions per page on the log (configurable, obviously), changelog code should be compatible with loading diffs between multiple revisions (aka, from r750 to r760) .. though I put in a limit of 100 (going to turn it back to 50) revisions to save processing and mem
11:18:45 <Xaroth> only a few small bugs to find, not sure what causes them tho :/
11:19:22 <TrueBrain> I hope you try to solve the bugs, not finding them :p
11:20:22 <Xaroth> to solve something you first need to know what causes it :P
11:20:32 <TrueBrain> still, finding bugs is not the way to go :p
11:21:51 <TrueBrain> I get bored by EVE :(
11:22:15 <Xaroth> wtf, gzip off and I can show large revision diffs, gzip on and I get a blank screen
11:22:22 <Xaroth> and eve can be quite slow-paced, yeh
11:22:35 <Xaroth> I'm not -that- active in EVE
11:23:00 <TrueBrain> yet you pay for it? I find it not worth my money :p
11:23:08 <TrueBrain> it is only good to have active and do COMPLETELY different shit :p
11:23:24 <Xaroth> I find it worth my money :)
11:24:08 <Xaroth> max revs: 50 and you get pages in excess of 3mb
11:24:14 <Xaroth> turn it back to 10, still >2mb :/
11:26:02 <TrueBrain> but then what do you do the whole time in EVE?
11:26:14 <Xaroth> er, whatever I want to do at that time :)
11:26:29 <Xaroth> my corp is somewhat socialistic/communisticly setup
11:26:35 <Xaroth> meaning that the corp owns all assets
11:26:56 <Xaroth> so if you want to fly ship X, and we have ship X, you can fly it
11:27:07 <TrueBrain> hehe; that is nice :)
11:27:10 <Xaroth> if you want to do Y, and we can accomodate for that, you can do Y
11:27:19 <Xaroth> normal corps you usually have to take care of yourself
11:27:20 <TrueBrain> I don't have a money problem in EVE, so I can have any ship too .. just not control them :p
11:28:07 <TrueBrain> (I played EVE years ago, during a valentine day even, got some 'valentine presents', whcih turned out to inceased in price over the years ... :p)
11:28:38 <Xaroth> this year there's a special ship you can collect
11:28:52 <TrueBrain> but I am seriously, what do you do? I always get bored after a while .. there is not so much you can do ...
11:29:02 <TrueBrain> fly from A to B with cargo ... earn lots of money .. yeah .. nice .. then what? :p
11:29:13 <Xaroth> er, I let others do that for me :P
11:29:13 <TrueBrain> I am not a fan of shoting others down ..
11:29:26 <Xaroth> I do a bit of pvp, pve as well
11:29:40 <Xaroth> mining and the like when I want to do mindless stuff
11:29:52 <Xaroth> pvp is quite fun with the right people
11:29:52 <TrueBrain> mining really is mindless, yes :p
11:30:01 <TrueBrain> pvp is fun, till you lost your progress again :p
11:30:15 <Xaroth> I don't lose progress :)
11:30:22 <TrueBrain> yeah .. I should upgrade my pod :p
11:30:34 <Xaroth> my pod is good for 70m skillpoints, I only have 61 atm
11:30:47 <Xaroth> and we have enough ships to fund our own alliance-war
11:31:26 <TrueBrain> but I guess the game will be more fun if you have a few friends to play with.. I always get bored of the endless non-talk people can have ...
11:32:25 <Xaroth> plus, 0.0 space is much more entertaining than empire space
11:32:38 <Xaroth> much less crowded, much more to gain
11:32:41 <TrueBrain> only cool if you have ships to spare :p
11:33:02 <Xaroth> meh, you only need one good ratting ship to make you some money
11:33:05 <Xaroth> then buy whatever you need :
11:33:17 <TrueBrain> but okay, I like my big frigates :)
11:33:56 <TrueBrain> it sucks that without a good corp, you have to pay WAY too much for upgrades ... and putting them together yourself is an endless task ...
11:34:03 <TrueBrain> (finding the right blueprint alone can take weeks)
11:34:44 <Xaroth> we have 99% of all T1 blueprints at least once .. and a few T2 blueprints
11:35:05 <TrueBrain> not all? That does suprise me :p
11:35:16 <Xaroth> there's no need to make shuttles
11:35:35 <TrueBrain> but okay .. I haven';t played in over a year ...
11:35:36 <Xaroth> and the titan blueprints are a bit expensive :P
11:35:40 <TrueBrain> maybe I should give it a spin again :)
11:35:54 <Xaroth> if you do lemme know, you can hang out in our corner of space
11:36:00 <TrueBrain> I have 2 or 3 accounts gathered over time ....
11:36:01 <Xaroth> we're in NRDS (not-red, don't-shoot)
11:36:17 <TrueBrain> (free trials, always fun :p)
11:36:26 <Xaroth> so everybody that's not in a 'hostile' corp or alliance can just tag along
11:36:34 <Xaroth> as long as they behave themselves
11:36:55 <TrueBrain> I wonder if it would run under Linux with this graphics card ...
11:37:13 <Xaroth> depends on graphics card
11:37:21 <Xaroth> they improved their graphics engine by miles the past year
11:37:29 <Xaroth> O_O that might be a bit problematic :P
11:37:45 <TrueBrain> let me try it now ...
11:37:48 <Xaroth> it's not -that- heavy on a system.. but that name sounds like an on-board :P
11:37:49 <TrueBrain> should be doing other shit, but okay :p
11:38:14 <TrueBrain> I wonder if I can extend one of the accounts again :p
11:38:19 <TrueBrain> if they still exist :p
11:38:34 <TrueBrain> oeh, there is a mac version
11:38:55 <Xaroth> they did have a linux version before
11:39:00 <Xaroth> but that was a bit problematic
11:39:24 <TrueBrain> I have TrueLight or TrueBrain
11:39:32 <TrueBrain> the first should have tons of money .. the second should have nice stuff ..
11:40:02 <Xaroth> define 'tons of money' ?
11:40:13 <TrueBrain> as I said, valentine presents ...
11:40:23 <Xaroth> yeh, but millions, hundreds of millions, or billions :P
11:40:28 <TrueBrain> I had 5 .. 4 years ago I sold one for $48M (got it for free)
11:40:35 <TrueBrain> 2 years ago it was worth 1000+M
11:40:39 <TrueBrain> never checked after that :p
11:41:03 <Xaroth> there's a few collectors around in eve, might be worth checking with them
11:41:23 <TrueBrain> my mac needs 1 hour to download the game :p
11:41:29 <Xaroth> people like Entity (he's a dutchie as well btw) have like every rare item they can find
11:41:36 <TrueBrain> not sure if that graphic card is enough ...
11:41:53 <TrueBrain> well, these presents turned out to be very rare .... who would have guessed
11:41:58 <TrueBrain> but I don't know if I can access those accounts ...
11:42:56 <Xaroth> if you want a 21 day trial lemme know
11:43:09 <TrueBrain> I believe they don't work on existing accounts
11:43:39 <TrueBrain> last extended my account at 1/26/2009
11:43:43 <TrueBrain> (TrueLight / FastBrain)
11:44:19 <TrueBrain> but you can't see what is in them (assets, ...)
11:44:40 <Xaroth> not if it's not enabled, no
11:45:16 <Xaroth> I can see your standings though :P
11:45:31 <Xaroth> there's 4 people with the text 'TrueLight' in it
11:45:44 <TrueBrain> TrueBrain is a full trail account, last 10/28/2007
11:45:50 <TrueBrain> trial, not trail :p
11:47:37 <Xaroth> woop, got all the skills I need for Hulks.
11:47:55 <TrueBrain> I have no idea what the stats are of any of the characters ... sucks ... sucks ass ...
11:48:05 <Xaroth> you can re-spec your attributes now
11:48:08 <Xaroth> once every.. half year or so
11:48:31 <TrueBrain> even then, I don't know which of the 2 accounts or 3 characters is worth more :p
11:48:47 <TrueBrain> so a new trial account is more useful :p
11:48:52 <TrueBrain> (As that doesn't cost a thing :p)
11:50:04 <Xaroth> hrnf, apparently I can't invite anybody anymore, wth
11:51:27 <Xaroth> check the vid on that page btw :P
11:52:59 <TrueBrain> laptop has GeForce 9400M
11:53:03 <TrueBrain> would it be enough?
11:53:10 <Xaroth> maybe low settings, but still
11:54:28 <TrueBrain> last time I played I noticed you can get gametime for ingame ISK .. this is just insane ...
11:54:40 <Xaroth> it's to counter the whole money-selling crap :)
11:54:54 <Xaroth> EVE is one of the few MMO's that's actually quite successful at countering goldsellers
11:55:07 <TrueBrain> did they fix the market by now?
11:55:16 <TrueBrain> last year it was _very_ unbalanced
11:55:33 <Xaroth> ever since they did invention prices stabalized a bit
11:56:15 <Xaroth> it's a new research thingie that allows you to take T1 blueprint copies
11:56:31 <Xaroth> and have a chance (after a while of research, ofcourse) to turn it into a T2 blueprint copy
11:56:55 <TrueBrain> I never really understood the whole blueprint shit .. always got lost :p
11:57:06 <Xaroth> wormhole space and T3 ships have made things a bit more interesting as well
11:57:40 <Xaroth> it's a cluster of solarsystems not connected to anything
11:57:44 <Xaroth> the only way to get in, or out
11:57:47 <Xaroth> is by finding a wormhole
11:57:51 <Xaroth> that leads to some random place
11:57:58 <Xaroth> and can (will) collapse
11:58:12 <Xaroth> so you can technically go from one end of the galaxy, to the other, in a few minutes time
11:58:17 <Xaroth> or, get stuck there for months
11:58:35 <TrueBrain> haha :) If it goes once to a good place, it always will?
11:58:39 <TrueBrain> and are they bi-directional?
11:58:48 <Xaroth> they are temporary, and bi-directional
11:59:00 <Xaroth> they will collapse after time, or after a certain amount of mass has gone through
11:59:18 <TrueBrain> but I mean: if it goes to a stable space, it will keep going there?
11:59:19 <Xaroth> they constantly spawn and despawn
11:59:34 <TrueBrain> so the chance of getting lost is relative low once you passed through?
11:59:34 <Xaroth> once the wormhole is open, the destination is linked
11:59:46 <Xaroth> if it closes, it's gone
11:59:48 <TrueBrain> even conceptually sound
11:59:53 <Xaroth> when a new one appears, another random location
12:00:52 <Xaroth> show the new engine etc
12:01:36 <Xaroth> 2nd a T2 frigate, third a Carier (cap ship) with one of it's fighters
12:01:50 <Xaroth> last is same carrier, in station
12:03:26 <Xaroth> oh, and you'll find Rigs interesting as well
12:03:31 <Xaroth> new module slot of sorts
12:04:00 <Xaroth> every ship has up to 3 rig slots, and up to 400 calibration points, every rig takes up 1 slot, and a certain amount of calibration (up to 150 iirc)
12:04:09 <Xaroth> once a rig is in a ship, you can't take it out without destroying the rig
12:04:17 <Xaroth> every rig gives a certain bonus, with a certain drawback
12:04:30 <Xaroth> IE, flying faster, while losing armor
12:05:19 <Xaroth> T3 ships are even more insane
12:05:33 <Xaroth> you basically take a hull, and put shit in that to fit what you want it to be
12:05:51 <Xaroth> so there are dozens of combinations for a single T3 ship
12:06:15 <Xaroth> also, if a T3 ship is destroyed, you lose a certain amount of skills related to T3 ships (not the normal skills)
12:06:23 <Xaroth> though T3 ship skills are fast to train
12:11:01 <TrueBrain> sounds nice, about T3
12:11:11 <TrueBrain> takes for ever to train to control them I guess ... won't happen in 14 days :p :p
12:14:02 <TrueBrain> 30 minutes left for download ... trlalala
12:16:17 <TrueBrain> Confirmation has been mailed to: ##EMAIL##
12:16:19 <TrueBrain> Your username is: ##USERNAME##
12:16:20 <TrueBrain> Your password is: Hidden for security reasons
12:16:59 <Xaroth> and I don't think trial accounts are allowed to train T3 stuff
12:17:57 <TrueBrain> well, maybe if I can find the fun in the game, I might pay for it :p
12:18:24 <TrueBrain> or buy it in-game :p :p
12:19:31 <Xaroth> I used to have sufficient income before I joined BIG to run by GTC
12:19:44 <Xaroth> but seeing BIG does a share-all policy, it's a bit hard to do GTC :P
12:20:00 <TrueBrain> haha, then why did you join? :P
12:20:23 <Xaroth> because they are a good bunch
12:20:29 <Xaroth> and the share-all policy has it's bonuses
12:20:42 <Xaroth> I mean, 500m for a skillbook, I just have to ask
12:20:44 <TrueBrain> buy them from their money? :p
12:20:55 <Xaroth> that'll be a bit messy :P
12:21:25 <TrueBrain> Well, I always wonder about such things .. why would you do your best to get more ISK, if there is no need anymore? (purely based on the argument why communism fails)
12:21:28 <Xaroth> That carrier you saw, is (including fitting) around 1.5 billion
12:21:40 <Xaroth> if I want to fly it, I can just take it :)
12:21:57 <TrueBrain> ghehe :) but last time I checked, 30 day code was 1000M too ..
12:24:13 <Xaroth> not sure what they go for nowadays
12:24:19 <Xaroth> but I doubt 1b/month :P
12:24:41 <TrueBrain> dunno .. too long ago :p
12:25:18 <TrueBrain> it went down in price
12:29:38 <TrueBrain> the snowing stopped
12:29:41 <TrueBrain> sun is getting through :p
12:42:31 <Xaroth> btw, if/when yer ingame, prod "Xaroth Brook" :)
12:47:31 <TrueBrain> Copying 5.6G as we speak ...
22:44:09 <TrueBrain> and I promise you I will open it tomorrow :)
22:59:13 <TrueBrain> nah: looked it over: it looks goooooddd!!!
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