IRC logs for #opendune on OFTC at 2009-09-24
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08:03:44 <TrueBrain> I am getting sick ... :s
08:03:54 <TrueBrain> and I blame you Xaroth! :P
08:21:14 <TrueBrain> finally someone which took an effort to read before replying
09:08:41 <Xaroth> I think you got through to nyer :P
09:12:14 <Xaroth> 11 Visitors, 3 unique visitors, 40 page veiws, 3 average page views
09:13:24 <Xaroth> strangely enough, all from holland :P
09:26:39 <Xaroth> har, now that i pointed nyer to the file on svn. we'll see some spikes on analytics :P
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10:23:50 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: but again he is making tons of assumptions, which are mostly wrong :)
10:23:57 <TrueBrain> like it is an optimization to use registers over local variables
10:24:08 <TrueBrain> which is nothing 'normal' about
10:24:49 <TrueBrain> and he COMPLETELY missed the point about the code snippets
10:28:04 <TrueBrain> bah, I hate being sick ...
12:07:37 <Xaroth> how to drive a colleague insane, lesson 2
12:07:43 <Xaroth> install VNC on his machine while he's on vacation
12:09:28 <Xaroth> and for somebody who works in the IT, he knows damn little about pcs.
12:09:42 <Xaroth> so I'm going to see how he responds to his mouse behaving strangely
12:10:11 <TrueBrain> we had a better tool to take over computer (I have been SysOp on a school for a few years)
12:10:15 <TrueBrain> forgot the name strangely enough
12:10:22 <TrueBrain> either way, you could freeze the mouse and stuff :p
12:11:13 <TrueBrain> and you could completely hide it from the whole system (including task-manager)
12:11:56 <Xaroth> and you call me nasty :P
12:12:32 <TrueBrain> well ... I guess the part I put a random user-screen on the beamer before a class, to show what that person was doing, is what cn be considered really nasty
12:12:49 <TrueBrain> (he thought it was funny to visit porno sites during class ... )
12:13:03 <TrueBrain> in the top right corner comes the computer-name, and the user logged in
12:15:31 <TrueBrain> did I ever told you I loved that job? :p
12:17:07 <Xaroth> and I wondered why he caused network to be slow
12:17:12 <Xaroth> bastard got uTorrent on his pc
12:18:15 <Xaroth> I would love to see his face when he found out everybody could watch along with his donkey pr0n
12:18:56 <TrueBrain> you know you can get fired for doing such things, right?
12:37:30 <Xaroth> was talking about your action :P
12:37:42 <Xaroth> and I'm in charge of the network, and his pc is constantly filling up the pipe
12:37:50 <Xaroth> so that gives me any right to check out his pc
12:38:28 <Xaroth> he should be long glad I don't make a report on the things that need to be removed from his pc
12:39:16 <TrueBrain> you only have that right if his pc is not his private pc, but a general working pc :p
12:39:24 <Xaroth> it's a general working pc :)
12:39:35 <Xaroth> I ordered the pcs, my signature and the company name are on the bill
12:39:48 <TrueBrain> that doesn't make it a general working pc ;)
12:40:21 <Xaroth> no, but that does make it company property
12:40:27 <Xaroth> and as such, not his private property
12:40:28 <TrueBrain> bah, I need to get a javascript variable set, but I don't have any point to set it at
12:40:38 <TrueBrain> that was not the private I meant
12:40:53 <TrueBrain> when you have a PC at a company assigned to you, you, by law, are allowed to install private stuff on it
12:41:11 <TrueBrain> (as it is YOUR working pc)
12:41:37 <TrueBrain> that is the private I meant :p
12:41:41 <glx> but you still can't do "illegal" stuff with it
12:41:55 <TrueBrain> glx: very true :) But neither can you install a trojan on it, and look for that :)
12:41:56 <glx> and µtorrent main usage is still piracy
12:42:14 <TrueBrain> lol, glx, the fact that someone has utorrent installed, doesn't mean he is doing anything illegal :)
12:42:25 <TrueBrain> that step you took, doesn;'t hold in any court :)
12:42:48 <glx> I know, but the probability is very high
12:43:01 <TrueBrain> yup; so you have to ask the 'owner' of the computer to show you what he is doing
12:43:10 <TrueBrain> or cut his connection at network level, even that is allowed
12:43:28 <Xaroth> it's not like he can go moan about it, seeing the boss told everybody specifically that torrent apps are not allowed on the internal network unless authorized by him specifically
12:43:32 <TrueBrain> looking in his computer without him knowing you do (you don't need his agreement on it :p) is not legal :)
12:43:53 <Xaroth> If he doesn't want me to look at his stuff he should have put a password on his pc
12:44:00 <TrueBrain> the same problem was with companies reading emails; it is not allowed, period.
12:45:12 <TrueBrain> we solved it very simply: all data is stored centralized, all computers are reinstalled every week. Makes it hard to install such applications and keep it running :p
12:46:03 <TrueBrain> but okay, we had that law-issue with a client of ours
12:46:49 <TrueBrain> somehow installing VNC without the knowledge of the main user of a terminal was considered installing a trojan on the machine :p Dunno why :)
12:47:17 <TrueBrain> (that was the issue in this case .. some other person had installed VNC on a computer, and was looking at the screen of that person all day, to 'see if he was doing his work correctly')
12:47:32 <glx> hmm windows has something like that installed by default IIRC
12:47:33 <Xaroth> VNC shows in the taskbar, so it's not really without his knowledge
12:47:36 <Xaroth> unless he is hiding that
12:47:41 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: VERY easy to hide
12:47:56 <Xaroth> yes, but that's the point
12:48:08 <Xaroth> if he hides it he is trying to actively hide that fact from the user
12:48:12 <Xaroth> to gain entrance without his knowledge
12:48:38 <TrueBrain> exactly; and you can only do that legally, on a computer that is for general use
12:49:51 <TrueBrain> the porno story above, we did that every year with the new class
12:50:02 <TrueBrain> there was always one idiot in the first day showing off by opening such pages
12:50:20 <TrueBrain> he was always used to make our point :) Private stuff you do at home, not here.
12:50:25 <Xaroth> yeh, show him the muscle and he'll not try to fight you :)
12:50:44 <TrueBrain> rather: avoid users to abuse the fiber internet connection :p
12:50:55 <TrueBrain> there was always one idiot which, within a week, installed a ftpd
12:51:14 <glx> all ports should be closed
12:51:31 <TrueBrain> there were legal projects which require such software to run
12:51:35 <TrueBrain> so that is not that easy
12:52:32 <glx> they still can request an opening
12:52:42 <TrueBrain> they don't have 1 computer assigned to them
12:53:02 <TrueBrain> there are a few constraints which made it simply much easier to punish those people who abused it in the first week
12:53:10 <TrueBrain> then you have a very nice and simple year ahead :)
12:53:46 <TrueBrain> step 1) let them know you know all. Step 2) let them know you see all. Step 3) let them know you don't allow any of that shit :p
12:53:48 <glx> with some random controls just to be sure :)
12:54:18 <TrueBrain> every 2 hours orso you received the lsit of running applications of all computers, and you knew within 2 minutes which users were out-of-line :p
12:54:32 <TrueBrain> DMWare, that was the software :)
12:54:51 <TrueBrain> now how do I get this variable set in javascript ...
12:54:56 <TrueBrain> I can't use the onload event .. hmm ..
12:56:30 <TrueBrain> can't .... which is my problem :)
13:16:07 <Xaroth> industrie terrein tegen een woonwijk
13:16:13 <Xaroth> the 'woonwijk' is the entire of uithoorn -_-
13:18:41 <Xaroth> I still remember that day :P
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