IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2022-12-06
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00:53:47 <petern> Working some fixes for it but still
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09:31:33 <petern> ^ Not quite right when the primary vehicle has expired 😦
09:32:39 <reldred> I can't believe this is a thing
09:32:40 <andythenorth> I tested the autoreplace thing
09:32:54 <andythenorth> I wish I knew how to update a branch for a remote PR from upstream 😛
09:33:07 <andythenorth> other than rm branch and fetch again
09:34:08 <reldred> see, my pissing and moaning over openttd dev stagnancy paid off
09:34:27 <reldred> I'm gonna get rocks thrown at me at this rate
09:34:58 <reldred> (and I will have deserved it)
09:37:40 <LordAro> andythenorth: pull -f, no?
09:43:40 <andythenorth> will try thanks 🙂
09:43:52 <andythenorth> yeah no upstream configured
09:44:02 <andythenorth> and if I try to set upstream, git says I can't
09:44:12 <andythenorth> because it's a PR, not a branch
09:49:20 <LordAro> oh, you've checked out the pull/N/head ref?
09:54:39 <LordAro> `git pull -f origin pull/NNN/head` might work
09:55:17 <LordAro> dunno how to set up upstream tracking though
09:55:22 <LordAro> there's probably a way somewhere...
09:55:30 <andythenorth> there's always a way with git 😛
09:55:39 <andythenorth> pull -f will work fine
10:22:14 <andythenorth> dunno why that option to disable chunky bevels is needed though 😛
10:22:18 <andythenorth> 'player choice' is over-rated
10:22:22 <andythenorth> I should make their choices
10:23:47 <reldred> *I* should make their choices
10:23:53 <reldred> I should make *all* choices
10:23:53 <andythenorth> oh yes, that will work
10:24:13 <reldred> benevolent dictator for life
10:29:01 <kamnet> Andy should make the choices. Now he will make worse choices but for better reasons. 🙂
10:44:40 <petern> andythenorth: One developer didn't want it removed, that's enough for me.
10:45:11 <petern> A few developers did say it's not needed.
10:45:36 <petern> Separate bevel-scale slider?
10:53:48 <petern> reldred: Update your misskey pls
10:55:10 <reldred> peter, I'm eating mac and cheese out of a camp stove at my office desk because I'm too lazy to actually cook dinner
10:55:24 <reldred> there's a hierarchy of things I need to deal with
10:55:35 <reldred> and I'm a long way from where I need to be 🙂
11:18:28 <petern> Sorry, didn't mean to be demanding, just pointing out in case you didn't know.
13:09:18 <andythenorth> see you also: theatres 😛
13:10:07 <petern> Solution: Use a NewGRF 😉
13:10:13 <andythenorth> Improved Town Layouts
13:10:53 <petern> The original data was not designed to work for 823 years 🙂
13:11:21 <andythenorth> it's the pre-1950 starts I think that do it
13:11:41 <andythenorth> I suspect that somewhere we added the rules for mix of building types and we did it wrong
13:12:01 <andythenorth> or CS did it, but it would only run for a few years from 1950, so the effect was not manifesting
13:57:22 <petern> Turns out that ignoring an exception doesn't work when you don't check for the correct text within that exception. Who would've thought...
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14:11:50 <andythenorth> if string.find(“Eror”) != -1:
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14:16:03 <andythenorth> Ok so 13.0 beta 3 for variants?
14:30:12 <CplBurdenR3294> andythenorth: They're just *really* into musicals, okay? Especially Starlight Express 😛
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14:56:49 <petern> 🎶 aggregates, are really great. aggregates never complain.
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17:11:14 <andythenorth> can we just orc-raid your biggest town or something?
17:11:18 <andythenorth> I never played DF
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17:35:14 <petern> I did once, in text mode.
17:37:55 <Wolf01> Hmmm, I'm trying the last beta on the deck
17:38:48 <Wolf01> 1.5x UI, font is vertically on top of widgets
17:40:34 <Wolf01> UI is still too small, but more than 1.5x it will overflow
17:43:10 <petern> Truetype or sprite font?
17:44:24 <Wolf01> Default I guess, I don't even know where to change it :D
17:45:22 <petern> I guess it's a combination of rounding, once when determining the offset for the sprite font within the scaled height, and then again when centring the scaled height within the widget.
17:46:17 <petern> Bearing in mind the whole thing is centred, including the descenders.
17:46:27 <Wolf01> Yes, at whole intervals the text is fine
17:46:52 <petern> I think it's only a problem below 1.75x.
17:47:20 <petern> With anything over 2x the rounding will be less apparent.
17:47:47 <Wolf01> BTW, the game options windows is way too large when starting at 640x480, maybe moving the screen resolution widget so one can see that immediately would be fine
17:48:20 <petern> I might have an idea for that.
17:48:36 <Wolf01> Probably the huge size of that UI is due to the driver string
17:49:08 <Wolf01> Let me try to share a screenshot
17:49:45 <petern> (Not that's not really my idea)
17:57:01 <petern> Oh that's weird, it really is at the top. Hmm.
17:57:48 <MnHebi> petern: for a whopping 29 euros, now on Steam
17:58:43 <petern> I guess that's another bug when using freetype 😦
17:59:10 <Wolf01> Maybe something fishy with linux
17:59:39 <petern> On Windows and OS X, we use the native font layouter.
17:59:56 <petern> On Linux we can use ICU or a fallback layouter.
18:00:08 <petern> Hmm, maybe it's built with ICU.
18:05:07 <Wolf01> Hmmm, let's try in docked mode
18:06:53 <Wolf01> Wow, it doesn't even recognize the screen resolution
18:07:08 <Wolf01> I'm capped at 1280x720
18:07:16 <Wolf01> It should be 1920x1080
18:07:52 <petern> That Steam Deck is only 1280x800 is a bit disappointing, I hadn't realised.
18:07:55 <petern> I know it's a small device...
18:07:55 <Wolf01> On the deck I can set at least 1280x800
18:08:54 <Wolf01> Lol it still plays music on the deck instead of the TV
18:12:48 <Wolf01> Ok, that was my fault, it was selected the wrong default playback device on steam
18:13:17 <petern> A +1 on the sprite font ascender makes it a little better at 150% for me.
18:13:27 <petern> But it's not at the top like yours
18:15:07 <Wolf01> It's at the top for every UI size except 1x and 2x
18:15:54 <petern> Do you know if it's built with ICU?
18:16:04 <Wolf01> Even at 4x it is 1 pixel too high
18:16:22 <Wolf01> Nope, where should I check?
18:17:05 <petern> 1 pixel or 1 scaled pixel (4 pixels)?
18:17:25 <petern> So it's overlapping the bevel
18:17:33 <Wolf01> But it seem even at 1x and 2x does the same
18:17:40 <Wolf01> So it's always at the top
18:17:55 <petern> Right, that one is just how the font works and always has worked 🙂
18:17:59 <Wolf01> But on 1,2 and 4 you don't notice it
18:18:50 <petern> That is normal and correct position
18:19:30 <Wolf01> Is there a way to enable every resolution without fiddling with the config file?
18:19:53 <TallTyler> Hold Ctrl when using the slider, I think?
18:21:06 <Wolf01> No, not the scale, the resolution dropdown
18:21:34 <Wolf01> (nice touch with ctrl on the slider :P)
18:22:11 <petern> We like hidden features.
18:22:26 <Wolf01> At least is explained in the tooltip
18:22:30 <petern> But also not being able to easily select round values would've been horrid.
18:26:33 <Wolf01> Ok, forcing the resolution with steam does weird things
18:27:04 <petern> Very odd when moved down 🙂
18:27:21 <Wolf01> And changing resolution in game moves the screen... off screen
18:29:37 <Wolf01> Ok, native resolution does the same, but at least recognizes the TV resolution
18:30:08 <Wolf01> It still creates that glowing effect around text
18:32:14 <Wolf01> And magically the glowing does not appear in the screenshot
18:38:31 <petern> andythenorth: your modified Iron Horse is spamming me with "Too many NewGRF string parameters"
18:39:04 <petern> I'm trying to do console debugging but that's wiping it out :p
18:39:33 <andythenorth> mine is doing it too
18:41:30 <andythenorth> ok it's somewhere in the engines
18:41:36 <andythenorth> so either name string or extra text
18:41:47 <andythenorth> doesn't happen in wagons-only mode
18:42:18 <andythenorth> meh, can I get any more info out about where?
18:42:29 <andythenorth> I can just play guessing games
18:42:34 <andythenorth> but that's boring
18:42:49 <andythenorth> I thought nml barfed when string parameters were invalid
18:45:42 <andythenorth> I'll comment out things until I find it 😛
19:04:54 <Wolf01> peter1138: uconv v2.1 ICU 70.1
19:10:02 <petern> Okay, no idea how to fix that, seems to be all inside ICU 😦
19:13:32 <petern> Not even sure if it's that, seems odd that we'd use ICU for the sprite font, but...
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20:36:31 <petern> So, er, quite an update after all. Never mind.
20:38:34 <LordAro> petern: if it is inside ICU, it's a new thing
20:39:33 <LordAro> definitely used to work fine on linux
20:40:30 <petern> Well, the fallback layouter handles the ascender trick fine, but I can't see how I would do that trick with the ICU layouter.
20:51:11 <FLHerne> petern: ooh, I really like that feature :-)
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21:23:40 <petern> I need another flags property 😦
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21:44:37 <petern> I think andy may use up all engine IDs.
21:44:45 <petern> I might delete this PR
21:45:26 <petern> 65535 IDs is not a lot when andy's spammed all the variants :p
21:46:19 <FLHerne> just make there be 2^31 IDs
21:46:43 <FLHerne> it'll take him another decade to find a way to use them all
21:47:59 <petern> It's more that the limit is global too, and people like to mix sets. Dunno which idiot allowed that...
21:51:23 <andythenorth> didn't someone rage quit about that?
21:51:39 <andythenorth> did people used to rage quit a lot, or was it the same person, repeatedly?
21:52:26 <petern> How dare you let players have any control over how they play the game.
21:52:38 <petern> Ignoring removal of block signals.
21:52:52 <andythenorth> removing behind a menu
21:57:00 <petern> 64000 is the limit btw, not 65535.
22:07:00 <petern> How many GRFs can we have loaded...?
22:08:40 <andythenorth> I believe that elements of the playerbase find that very low
22:08:52 <petern> They fill it with separators and such.
22:09:20 <andythenorth> if we increase the limit
22:09:24 <andythenorth> they'll need more separators
22:09:27 <andythenorth> better raise it more
22:15:32 <petern> Let's not worry about variants.
22:15:59 <andythenorth> shurely it's not that simple 😛
22:16:59 <petern> The 'new' Command system alleviates a MASSIVE headache.
22:17:38 <petern> `CmdBuildVehicle(DoCommandFlag flags, TileIndex tile, EngineID eid, bool use_free_vehicles, CargoID cargo, ClientID client_id);` does not need to change.
22:17:53 <petern> The old way of manual bit-stuffing, yes, it would be horrible.
22:22:06 <petern> `CommandCost CmdBuildVehicle(TileIndex tile, DoCommandFlag flags, uint32 p1, uint32 p2, const char *text)`
22:22:15 <petern> jgrpp hasn't migrated.
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23:47:51 <TallTyler> More terraforming needed, perhaps?
23:48:37 <TallTyler> I could see if the slope is perpendicular to the river direction and raise it
23:49:05 <TallTyler> There’s not really a valid case where flowing down such a slope is a good idea
23:52:06 <petern> Makes me want to have some kind of flowing water mechanic...
23:52:20 <petern> If you block a river it'll flood over 😄
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