IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2021-10-29
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12:02:46 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] lcd047 opened issue #9662: [Bug]: Two-ways path signals affect signals behind them https://git.io/JPWWU
12:30:06 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on issue #9662: [Bug]: Two-ways path signals affect signals behind them https://git.io/JPWWU
12:45:05 <andythenorth> those are some kind of waiting lanes?
12:45:27 * andythenorth never played proper OpenTTD
12:51:18 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] lcd047 commented on issue #9662: [Bug]: Two-ways path signals affect signals behind them https://git.io/JPWWU
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14:01:25 <peter1138> andythenorth, gotta have the most efficient waiting system...
14:01:40 <andythenorth> I should learn to play this game
14:03:30 <peter1138> Yes but not like that.
14:03:53 <andythenorth> is escape depot + ro-ro just too old-fashioned?
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14:54:49 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] wlbrsmth opened issue #9663: [Crash]: Game crashes when launching game after update to 12.0 https://git.io/JPlA8
14:55:20 <TrueBrain> so who is going to release 12.1 when? :D
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14:59:00 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on issue #9663: [Crash]: Game crashes when launching game after update to 12.0 https://git.io/JPlA8
14:59:59 <glx> and there's a search function
15:00:00 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] wlbrsmth commented on issue #9663: [Crash]: Game crashes when launching game after update to 12.0 https://git.io/JPlA8
15:00:18 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] wlbrsmth closed issue #9663: [Crash]: Game crashes when launching game after update to 12.0 https://git.io/JPlA8
15:01:31 <glx> oh they found the search feature ;)
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15:39:09 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] lcd047 commented on issue #9662: [Bug]: Two-ways path signals affect signals behind them https://git.io/JPWWU
15:39:12 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] lcd047 closed issue #9662: [Bug]: Two-ways path signals affect signals behind them https://git.io/JPWWU
15:41:04 <TrueBrain> it is currently slow to start it up the first time, but I know what I need to do to fix that :)
15:41:24 <LordAro> adding editor specific files? :o
15:56:59 <TrueBrain> And that is your first response? :p
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17:49:27 <glx> I finally managed to add stations to nml
17:50:43 <frosch123> did you extend ottd?
17:51:11 <glx> found a way to fit in current spec
17:55:01 <TrueBrain> LordAro: makes me a bit sad, but okay
17:55:20 <TrueBrain> glx: lol :) Creativity creates the man? :)
17:56:13 <TrueBrain> frosch123: did you actually know what you did, I wonder? :P Lol :)
17:56:44 <TrueBrain> and people said it couldn't be done, pffff
17:57:00 <glx> no it was said to be not easy
17:57:12 <TrueBrain> you say tomato, I say tomato :)
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17:58:46 <TrueBrain> right, so with devcontainer I can actually make a fully running setup for things like bananas-server, game-coordinator, etc. Including things like: starting redis + master-server-web for the game-coordinator, so you can see what the effect of your change is
17:58:59 <TrueBrain> the only thing that is less easy, is to be able to test that with an actual version of OpenTTD
17:59:56 <TrueBrain> if you use the local version, you can port-forward .. if you use codespaces, you need to use the "gh" CLI tool to set that up
18:00:06 <TrueBrain> I wonder if emscripten can help out here :P
18:02:01 <frosch123> that would still require forwarding port 80 ?
18:02:12 <TrueBrain> that is something they resolve for you
18:02:38 <TrueBrain> http/https is solved by GitHub; our custom ports is a bit the issue :P
18:02:58 <frosch123> ah, so we need an ottd proxy
18:03:13 <TrueBrain> people call it websocket :P
18:03:21 <TrueBrain> emscripten already uses it for bananas-server
18:03:41 <TrueBrain> I guess it wouldn't hurt to add it for game-coordinator too .. wanted to do that anyway at some point
18:04:11 <TrueBrain> would mean you can develop on those repos everywhere any time :P And hopefully allows for easier drive-by commits .. as you don't have to understand how to set everything up
18:04:37 <TrueBrain> Codespaces works surprisingly well btw
18:06:49 <frosch123> "surprisingly well" :p is that positive or negative?
18:07:14 <TrueBrain> I noticed I forgot several times today I was working in a browser
18:09:28 <TrueBrain> the only thing I do need to do, is pre-build the devcontainer images .. as they are horribly slow to build; so pressing the green button now gives a sub-optimal experience :D
18:24:21 <TrueBrain> it is funny how less functionality Firefox offers vs Chrome / Edge for GitHub Codespaces
18:24:32 <TrueBrain> local file editing? Nah!
18:31:29 <frosch123> i noticed that cppreference.com also uses duckduck for searching on their site
18:31:52 <frosch123> no idea whether they always did that, or whether they copied from truewiki :p
18:37:59 <TrueBrain> right, lets test prebuilding devcontainers .. pam pam pammmm
18:38:22 <TrueBrain> the idea is pretty good in general, devcontainers .. instead of putting in the repo: build the docker to work in .. actually provide the docker image, and work inside that docker image
18:38:31 <TrueBrain> really lowers the bar to "just jump in"
18:39:31 <frosch123> i got the impreession the highest bar is understanding tab indention :p
18:42:05 <TrueBrain> does anyone really understand that? :P
18:42:52 <TrueBrain> one annoying thing .. ctrl+w closes the tab, instead of the file
18:42:58 <TrueBrain> I am happy it asks: ARE YOU SURE?! :P
18:49:30 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
18:56:24 <TrueBrain> devcontainer is a bit weird .. they act like it is something generic, but in it you can set vscode settings .. so it is pretty much specific :D
19:02:21 <TrueBrain> haha, for sure it would make it easier, but no clue why it isn't :P
19:02:52 <TrueBrain> I like that having the database public triggers these kind of spinoffs
19:03:30 <frosch123> no idea whether it uses the API or generated from git repo :)
19:05:26 <TrueBrain> there, left a comment :)
19:16:36 <TrueBrain> devcontainers are their own ecosystem :P But I am getting there :D
19:24:59 <andythenorth> glx so now I should port CHIPS? :)
19:25:10 <andythenorth> I don't know how CHIPS works, so it will be an adventure :P
19:25:26 <glx> many things still missing
19:25:53 <TrueBrain> wait, you are not done yet?! Tssk :P
19:29:01 <TrueBrain> w00p, finally Codespaces is quickly to open now
19:29:10 <frosch123> i like how they consistently misspelled "gfr" :)
19:30:31 <TrueBrain> I wonder if the MOTD instructions are clear enough for anyone to figure out how to start the server :P That was a bit more tricky tbh
19:30:41 <TrueBrain> can't find a way to auto-start it :P
19:32:01 <TrueBrain> possibly you need to be signed up for the codespaces beta, before that works, I now realise :D
19:38:54 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenMSX] rlelchev opened issue #29: OpenTTD doesn't detect music when put in the baseset directory https://git.io/JP46P
19:51:24 <TrueBrain> right, also works via VSCode Remote Containers :D It "just works", basically :)
19:57:27 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenMSX] glx22 commented on issue #29: OpenTTD doesn't detect music when put in the baseset directory https://git.io/JP46P
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21:08:12 <TrueBrain> btw, OpenTTD in codespaces is .. euh ... compiling takes a while :P
21:08:36 <TrueBrain> I should time it ..
21:16:42 <TrueBrain> owh, it only took 6 minutes
21:16:46 <TrueBrain> right, that is not too bad
21:19:59 <TrueBrain> guess that means we can even make a devcontainer for OpenTTD repo itself .. meaning you can work on the game from anywhere in your browser :D haha .. that is just crazy if you think about it ..
21:21:22 <andythenorth> devcontainer nml :P
21:21:40 <andythenorth> Adobe announced Photoshop browser edition also
21:21:51 <andythenorth> pixels + code...
21:23:59 <TrueBrain> devcontainer nml might not be ideal, but devcontainer FIRS etc would also be rather interesting :)
21:24:09 <TrueBrain> but yeah, you need a browser-based pixel editor for it to shine :)
21:24:54 <TrueBrain> the only real issue I have with this, is that the devcontainer specs really are based around VSCode. I like VSCode, so I do not mind, but it is a strong bias towards 1 solution :)
21:25:15 <TrueBrain> but it is absolutely freaking cool .. to run VSCode inside the docker .. such a simple idea .. such a huge difference in workflow :)
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21:36:05 <TrueBrain> I understand GitHub switched all their developers to use it for GitHub :) Makes total sense :)
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22:27:48 <glx> oh command palette on github seems to be a nice feature
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22:35:19 <dP> may not be a bad idea to add smth like that to the game btw
22:37:24 <dP> doesn't rly solve ui issues but a nice gimmick nonetheless
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