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00:09:40 <DanMacK> Hey all
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00:18:51 <fjb> Moin DanMacK
00:22:12 <supermop> hey dan
00:32:17 <DanMacK> What's new?
00:36:45 <supermop> well
00:37:17 <supermop> a spectacular nfo fail trying to implemennt smart fenced station tiles
00:43:15 <DanMacK> sweet!
00:43:24 <DanMacK> Efic fails are fun
00:43:30 <DanMacK> epic ones even
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00:47:08 <supermop> heh
00:47:29 <supermop> some how nforenum messed up all of the sprite offsets
00:47:43 <supermop> and the fences still didn't work
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00:48:18 <DanMacK> fun
00:48:35 <DanMacK> this is why I steer away from coding and let others do it :P
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01:12:35 <supermop> i wish
01:12:45 <supermop> no one seems to want to code my stuff
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04:36:47 <Pikka> les tartes
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08:39:25 <Terkhen> good morning
08:56:44 <Pikka> hello
08:57:55 <V453000> hi :)
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09:42:24 <Wolf01> hello
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09:48:18 <__ln__> hello
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10:14:03 <Ammler> I could run "make bin/openttd", if I need the binary only, right?
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10:16:23 <planetmaker> uhm... but that's what make without argument already does
10:16:38 <planetmaker> though it checks the required deps as well. But yes, you could work that way, too
10:16:52 <Ammler> no, it does also build language files and data
10:17:05 <planetmaker> exactly. But they need to fit the binary
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10:17:39 <Ammler> well, I run it twice, the 2nd time for dedicated version
10:17:41 <planetmaker> thus if any of it changed, the binary needs re-building
10:17:52 <Ammler> so the data is already equal
10:18:32 <planetmaker> use ccache and reconfigure.
10:19:35 <Ammler> well, it doesn't work
10:19:59 <Ammler> I don't run it twice on the same host
10:20:19 <Ammler> one host builds the gui version with data, the 2nd the dedicated
10:20:52 <Ammler> where I use bin/openttd only for the package
10:21:32 <Ammler> there is no way, you can build 2 binaries with same path on same run
10:21:55 <Ammler> build/package*
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10:38:40 <krinn> hi
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10:39:49 <krinn> Is there a way to pickup another route when my destination is pointing at a depot ? No matter what i try the vehicle keep going to its previous destination and then goes to the depot
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10:40:38 <SmatZ> krinn: remove depot from the orders?
10:40:56 <SmatZ> select the depot order and click "delete order"?
10:41:00 <krinn> :) but i wish it goes to depot
10:41:06 <SmatZ> oh
10:41:10 <krinn> but directly goes to depot
10:41:29 <SmatZ> it goes to the depot when it reaches a depot order
10:41:40 <krinn> now it do that going from A->B i change it to A->depot and vehicle always do A->B->depot (i cannot change that)
10:41:51 <SmatZ> if it doesn't have any depot order, it goes to depot when the service interval timeouts ("randomly")
10:42:10 <SmatZ> select order B
10:42:16 <SmatZ> and add depot order
10:42:23 <krinn> that's what i did
10:42:26 <SmatZ> the order will be created before currently selected order
10:42:35 <krinn> but still it goes A->B->depot
10:42:43 <SmatZ> is there a straight way from A to depot?
10:42:52 <krinn> for aircraft always yes :)
10:43:01 <SmatZ> hmm
10:43:24 <SmatZ> maybe aircraft are a bit special :P
10:43:30 <SmatZ> is B and "depot" the same airport?
10:43:45 <krinn> no, not always
10:44:02 <SmatZ> strange :)
10:44:14 <SmatZ> can you upload the savegame somewhere?
10:44:18 * SmatZ is off for lunch
10:44:51 <krinn> i could but it's more hard to see it as it's when my ai ask it for doing it
10:45:11 <krinn> i'll check now how it react if i do it by hands
10:45:55 <krinn> ok it act the same by hands
10:46:40 <krinn> pickup any aircraft, add 2 orders to goes to a depot while the aircraft is running, remove previous orders -> aircraft keep going at previous (delete) destination
10:50:52 <krinn> ok found a solve, it only works if previous orders aren't removed
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11:50:51 <krinn> SmatZ, for the story: if you unshare orders -> orders empty -> now add depot orders and the bad effect appears. I've fix that with unshare orders, add dummy orders to a station -> add depot orders -> move to depot orders
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13:09:22 <SmatZ> krinn: it might be by design, but maybe it's a bug :)
13:09:31 <SmatZ> I think you couldopen a bugreport at bugs.openttd.org
13:10:06 <SmatZ> maybe the behaivour should apply only when going to depot automatically, not when it's a part of orders
13:13:40 <Belugas> hello
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13:46:16 <Belugas> mmh...
13:46:39 <Belugas> they say that Discover cards's bin ranges has been extended.
13:46:52 <Belugas> from 6011, there is now 6500 to 6509
13:47:07 <Belugas> funny, i cannot have those new ranges
13:47:17 <Belugas> maybe not in production
13:47:19 <Belugas> who knows...
13:50:54 <Belugas> hehe..not even true anymore
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13:54:35 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i have absolutely no idea what that means :p
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13:58:20 <Belugas> banking stuuf :)
13:58:33 <Belugas> bin range is the first numbers of a credit card
13:59:28 <Belugas> i use it before sending transactions to the banks, to know if the card is supported even before receiving an answer
13:59:46 <glx> isn't that related to bank ID ?
13:59:50 <Belugas> from what i heard, it seems it cost them to have a not supported card transaction
14:00:07 <Belugas> to some extend, yes
14:01:00 <Belugas> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_card_number
14:01:09 <Belugas> first digit is the type of industry
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14:01:28 <Belugas> 4,5,6 being those of banking
14:02:30 <glx> the data are outdated :)
14:02:41 <glx> my visa electron starts with 4974
14:06:15 <Belugas> hey, it's a wiki ;)
14:06:24 <Belugas> it's meant t be outdate :)
14:06:40 <SmatZ> my starts with 5570
14:06:42 <SmatZ> 5578
14:06:46 <Eddi|zuHause> your keyboard is missing some keys :)
14:07:00 <Eddi|zuHause> and it's not only the "h" ;)
14:07:16 <Belugas> hehe
14:08:16 <Belugas> i used my old (now invalid) visa card so much that my fingers know the movement to key it. My mind does not.
14:08:26 <SmatZ> :)
14:10:47 <peter1138> mine is 4434 5459 0032 3412
14:11:25 <SmatZ> is it still valid?
14:11:39 <glx> missing CVV2 ;)
14:11:50 <glx> and expiration date
14:12:05 <peter1138> it doesn't pass LUHN either ;)
14:12:09 <SmatZ> :)
14:12:22 <Eddi|zuHause> so it's actually a random chain of numbers? :p
14:12:29 <peter1138> :)
14:12:33 <SmatZ> :)
14:19:19 <Belugas> 4544 970104599435
14:19:37 <Belugas> it's not random, it passes luhn and it's invalid
14:20:12 <Belugas> and... i have like 150 more, from differenct certifications :D
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14:31:22 <peter1138> heh
14:43:51 <Eddi|zuHause> some random statistics: if we had pure majority vote, the result of yesterday's vote would be 41 CDU (conservative), 3 Linke (socialist), 1 SPD (labour).
14:43:58 <Eddi|zuHause> if we had pure proportional vote (assuming 90 seats), we'd have 29 CDU, 22 Linke, 20 SPD, 7 Grüne (Green), 4 NPD (nationalist), 3 FDP (liberal), 3 Freie Wähler (independent), 1 Tierschutzpartei (animal rights), 1 Piraten (Pirate).
14:44:05 <Eddi|zuHause> with the hybrid vote we have the result is 41 CDU, 29 Linke, 26 SPD, 9 Grüne (105 seats total)
14:47:34 <SmatZ> animals have the only right, to taste great
14:49:59 <Eddi|zuHause> my point is: majority vote is inherently bad if you have more than 2 "large" parties
14:52:38 <Eddi|zuHause> the other point is: without a 5% rule, you'll have all these stray lunatics in the parliament
14:53:59 <Eddi|zuHause> which especially makes finding majorities more difficult
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15:26:05 <__ln__> you have a 5% rule?
15:29:07 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. it was an invention after the war, to prevent splinter parties abusing the parlamentary system and gaining popularity this way, like the nazi party did before
15:30:28 <Eddi|zuHause> the complete rule is: a party only gets seats according to their secondary (proportional) vote if they have at least 3 seats in the primary (majority) votes or 5% in the secondary (proportional) vote
15:30:58 <__ln__> they are planning a 3% rule here, but it is not certain it will be approved.
15:31:26 <Eddi|zuHause> 5% is actually pretty steep
15:31:57 <Eddi|zuHause> the nationalists in this election got 4.6%
15:32:04 <__ln__> and what, you have 105 total and we have 200 in a much smaller country?
15:32:13 <Eddi|zuHause> no, this is a regional election
15:32:16 <__ln__> i see
15:32:35 <Eddi|zuHause> Sachsen-Anhalt (population approx. 3 mio)
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15:38:18 <peter1138> Is ' a tricky symbol on Macs?
15:38:37 <peter1138> Got an email from some guy who used ¹ in their place...
15:38:52 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: the federal parliament has around 600 seats
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15:45:06 <__ln__> peter1138: No, it's at its normal location.
16:06:43 <lugo> Eddi|zuHause, but this years elections where a victory for democracy in some ways: +10% voter participation and in S-As capital you had the chance to vote against the re-building of an old church which some 75%(!) did :)
16:08:33 <peter1138> __ln__, ah, so he's just a fucktard :)
16:09:18 <__ln__> plausible
16:16:33 <Eddi|zuHause> lugo: nobody cares about Magdeburg around here ;)
16:17:24 <Eddi|zuHause> and even with the +10% voters, we have the second lowest participants in all history of regional elections in germany (last election being the lowest)
16:25:43 <Eddi|zuHause> lugo: i can't find anything about this church thing
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18:36:55 <GeoAnnn> lolllllllll http://goo.gl/TozIv
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18:45:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r22268 /trunk/src/lang/unfinished/ (faroese.txt frisian.txt):
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20:59:20 <Terkhen> good night
21:02:34 <Nite> Hi
21:03:01 <Nite> ... have to stress about the "automatic order view"
21:03:17 <Nite> it confuses at times
21:03:39 <Nite> oh could it only be optional (!?)
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21:54:16 <SmatZ> nice, the way Chromium zooms web pages
21:54:21 <SmatZ> it makes everything bigger
21:54:31 <SmatZ> not as Firefox, that just makes text bigger
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21:57:16 <peter1138> ?
21:57:19 <Nite> firefox is falling behind a little in some points ...
21:57:35 <peter1138> SmatZ, Firefox has a "Zoom Text Only" option
21:57:46 <peter1138> It's off by default, so you must have turned it on...
21:58:34 <Ammler> ff4 is quite nice
22:00:11 <Nite> ok i dont use ff betas
22:00:25 <glx> stable is out
22:00:33 <SmatZ> oh sorry, I am wrong
22:00:43 <SmatZ> but well, flash videos are not scaled in FF
22:00:48 <SmatZ> at least those I tried
22:00:53 <Ammler> no idea, suse distributs ff4 "as stable"
22:00:53 <peter1138> Youtube is, for me.
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22:01:15 <peter1138> Ammler, it's still in RC...
22:01:24 <SmatZ> yeah, Youtube is
22:01:26 <SmatZ> nice
22:01:41 <Ammler> beta12 here
22:01:49 <glx> outdated :)
22:01:51 <peter1138> Stupid distro :S
22:01:55 <SmatZ> ok sorry for babbling lies, guys :)
22:02:46 <Ammler> peter1138: the "old" version is still available if needed on some "Factory" repos
22:02:52 <SmatZ> and thank you for educating me :)
22:03:37 <peter1138> Ammler, I wouldn't like it if SuSE starting putting out OpenTTD betas as stable...
22:03:54 <Ammler> I just wonder, why it should be better to have the address bar below the tabs
22:04:00 <Nite> the net is a strange thing, it makes it easier to lie and it makes it harder to lie.
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22:04:08 <peter1138> And... FF crashed :p
22:04:18 <Ammler> peter1138: well, the "as stable" is my interpretation ;-)
22:04:21 <glx> Ammler: dunno, first thing I did was to disable this :)
22:04:27 <Ammler> because it is in the standard repo already
22:04:44 <Ammler> glx: same here :-)
22:05:16 <SmatZ> :)
22:05:18 <glx> tabs above address bar is just not nice for my using
22:05:32 <Ammler> stolen from opera
22:05:58 <Ammler> a browser with 1%(?) users
22:06:14 <glx> for forums I usually drag in the next tab so having to move above shortcuts and address bar is not nice
22:06:51 <glx> I guess it depends on how people use tabs
22:07:47 <Ammler> I use tabs more than addressbar...
22:08:32 <Ammler> I guess, my father could live without address bar at all :-)
22:08:56 <glx> some just need google at start page :)
22:09:18 <Ammler> even for addresses :-)
22:09:36 <glx> oh and the refresh button between address and search is silly too
22:09:40 <glx> (I moved it)
22:10:17 <Ammler> one of the few keys (f5) I use
22:11:37 <Ammler> but ff4 is noticeable faster as 3
22:12:36 <Ammler> oh, and I miss the status bar :'-(
22:12:53 <glx> no need for the status bar, just enable module bar :)
22:13:25 <Ammler> yeah, there is a addon "status4ever" :-)
22:13:53 <glx> status bar was not ready useful
22:14:23 <Ammler> any idea, why Firefox Sync isn't removeable anymore, that sucks a bit
22:14:55 <Ammler> that is behavior like Microsoft forcing IE as browser
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22:17:34 <krinn> what is firefox sync?
22:18:34 <Nite> what NO status bar at all?
22:18:48 <Yexo> nope, and I don't miss it either
22:19:30 <Yexo> the only thing I used the statusbar for was to check where a link leads to, but that is now shown in an overlay in the location where the statusbar was previously
22:19:30 <krinn> well i suppose i could live without one, it's not like "transfeing blabhabh" is useful
22:19:34 <Nite> then how do you notice if htere is active data transfer on a page?
22:20:07 <Nite> it is useful when you use livestreams a lot
22:20:24 <Nite> or want to know if apage has finished loading
22:20:30 <Yexo> while loading the page the refresh button is changed to "Stop loading this page", after that I don't know if there is a way
22:20:32 <krinn> if the stream isn't moving/playing, no status bar need to see it's stuck :)
22:20:50 <Nite> and have symbols of addons in the statusbar
22:21:12 <Nite> gotta try it
22:22:11 <Ammler> I had some addons there like a password generator or sync places or some web dev tools, not really necessary...
22:22:30 <Nite> does it install over the current version as standard?
22:23:13 <Ammler> nite there is a "addonbar" now
22:23:31 <Ammler> but that moves the target layer up
22:25:39 <Ammler> peter1138: about openttd, that can't happen as suse won't distribute openttd in the standard repo, no idea, what is needed to get there, maybe because it is quite easy to add extra repos, never :-)
22:26:13 <Nite> thats odd the RC4 installs but it starts as 3.16.15
22:26:28 <Ammler> 16?
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22:29:31 <Nite> oops
22:29:48 <Nite> FF RC4 kicks the old version
22:30:14 <Nite> and there is a status popup instead of the bar
22:30:58 <Nite> i like 4 even more place for website content
22:31:25 <Nite> too far off topic?
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22:32:35 <Ammler> Nite: blame SmatZ ;-)
22:33:31 <Ammler> mäh, wave requires php :-(
22:38:09 <Nite> you can swithc the tabs to second line
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23:00:35 <Nite> phew you did something there with mentioning FF4
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23:01:14 <Nite> the tab group view is a total mess and does crash ... anyway
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23:06:20 <m4m4> hi all
23:06:50 <Eddi|zuHause> a root! quick! hack him!
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23:11:13 <krinn> :) Eddi|zuHause
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